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Where did the virus really come from? This Throwback Thursday, we’re bringing back one of our favorite episodes as Kate and Megan take a deep dive into the origins of COVID-19, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Gain of Function Research, and the scientists and government officials at the center of the debate. From Dr. Anthony Fauci’s congressional testimony to newly released emails, government funding, and competing scientific theories, we’re following the evidence, the money, and the unanswered questions. But this episode is also personal. As healthcare providers who work through the pandemic, we reflect on the chaos of 2020, the realities of caring for critically ill patients, and how those experiences shaped our perspectives on public health, scientific transparency, and institutional trust. Was COVID-19 the result of natural spillover, an accidental laboratory leak, or something more complicated? And were important questions dismissed before they could fully be investigated? Grab a corona with a Lyme, obviously. Join us as we revisit the pandemic that changed everything, as we separate the documented facts from the allegations, and ask the questions that continued to fuel the debate. Then I want you to take out your phone and send this episode to three people who you think would enjoy it. And when you’re done, leave us a five-star review. Let us know what you think in the comments or over on our Instagram or Patreon pages. Disclaimer The views, opinions, and commentary expressed on this podcast are those of the hosts and guests and do not represent the view or opinions of our employers, organizations, or professional affiliations.

Speaker 1: 03:01
What were you doing five years ago, Megan? Do you know?

Speaker 2: 03:05
I do remember I was at a bar for happy hour with my friend. We were sitting at the end of the bar, and the people next to us were talking about this wild virus that was coming. And they were like, I hear they’re gonna shut down the schools. And I was like, what are they talking about? That was the first I heard of it.

Speaker 1: 03:28
Oh, okay. Well, I was on a group chat with a couple of our friends, and you know, one of them was like Stephanie. She was like, This is really crazy what’s going on in China. This virus is so crazy. And I had just listened to a podcast about the coronavirus. I was like, it’s guys, it’s no big deal. With it’s gonna be fine. It’s like a cold flash forward.

Speaker 2: 03:57
We were not we were not fine. And uh the course of everybody’s lives, especially the the health care, yes, because the way healthcare is run day to day completely changed a hundred percent. Uh yeah, so who knew that was gonna be a life-altering event? Yeah, I don’t know.

Speaker 1: 04:15
Who knew? Who could have known, Megan? Maybe somebody could have known. We are, guys. I just want to preface, we are talking about COVID. We’ve gone back and forth. Do we do this? Do we not do this? I have been pushing to do COVID, and there’s lots of conspiracy theories around COVID. I’m going to talk about where COVID began specifically. Okay. We’re not going to talk about like there’s other conspiracies like the quote pandemic or um, like there’s all these conspiracies around the vaccine and all of those things. We are not talking about those things. Those are way too controversial. You may have your opinion already about it. We also have ours. And those are things that we just don’t uh we don’t think should be spoken about on the podcast.

Speaker 2: 04:59
Yeah, I think we’ve said this in the past, but in case you just found us since like the first episode, you know, we are healthcare providers. We lived through COVID. We saw people dying, people close to us who work in healthcare who are more in it, right? Like our colleagues, like in the medical ICUs, the nurses, the providers, the restroom therapists. Uh, obviously, a lot of people had family who who died. It was like a horrific time. We have all the respect for those people. We believe COVID was real. We are not saying that the whole thing was fake. Again, we saw it, but yeah, I think a lot of lies being told to us back then that are slowly coming out.

Speaker 1: 05:33
Right, right. So that’s sort of like the the story that we’re we’re telling this time. Like Megan said, we were healthcare workers. There is no doubt in our mind when they had to put up a second morgue outside of our hospital that COVID was a real thing. We were we are we are not talking about COVID as a hoax. That is absolutely false. We lived through it, we did it, it was terrible. Healthcare has not been the same since. So that’s our disclaimer when we’re talking about COVID. With that all said, let us begin. Okay. All right. So 2020 will be a year that lives in infamy for the rest of our generation. It is the year that workers were asked to stay home, children asked not to go to school. It is a year that healthcare workers were heroes, showing up to work in unprecedented times, fighting a virus that they didn’t know how to fight. It is the year of don’t wear a mask, don’t worry, to wear a mask and wash your groceries and oh my gosh, it could spread through your eyeballs. It was a pivotal election year. It was a year where protests and riots were rampant. It’s the year of fear and hysteria and tick tock popping off. And all that leads back to a little pesky virus named SARVS, COVID-2, or as people know it, COVID-19. Where did this virus start? Is there so controversy over the origin story? What does the trail of money say? As you know, we like to follow the money. That’s right, follow the money here. And mostly, was the government just covering up a huge colossal mistake? Let’s uh let’s travel back in time to revisit the story of COVID-19. And don’t worry. No. No mask is required while listening to this podcast. Nerd alert.

Speaker 2: 07:25
So I have to be honest, I can’t wait to hear what you tell what you’re gonna teach me here. I didn’t really realize that it was like a big secret that this came from a lab. Okay. Like I feel like all along I’ve been like, yeah, this was probably mishandled in the lab, much like Lyme disease, Plum Island. Okay. And I think we’re finally seeing some uh investigations coming out proving that, which I was like, oh, I didn’t know this wasn’t like an understood fact. Right. Um, but that’s about all I’ve got on the origin. So I can’t wait for you to film me.

Speaker 1: 07:59
Talk about it? Yes. Okay. So I’m gonna walk you back through the timeline. And I’m gonna tell you when I was going through the timeline, this is from the CDC’s website. I was in full-on like fight or flight. I was like, oh my gosh, I can’t believe I’m reliving this. Like it’s just bringing back so many like vivid memories of that year, which is just a weird year. Like you look back and you’re like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2: 08:24
I felt like that when all of the TV shows, like Gray’s Anatomy, had like the COVID storyline. Yeah. It’s like, oh my gosh, we walk out our doors and we live this, like, not even help, everyone walks out their doors and you’re living this. Right. And like I don’t need to like check out on my couch with TV on. No.

Speaker 1: 08:42
Relive it on TV. I don’t need to watch somebody gown up when I gown up so much. Yeah. Like wild.

Speaker 2: 08:51
And in fact, you mentioned in your intro about like the the protests and the violence and everything that kind of happened around this time. And I was living in DC and it was giving me straight up flashbacks to Afghanistan, to like a legitimate war zone that I was in. That’s how DC felt. It was just like crowd dispersal, you know, right, noise nonstop and yelling. And anyway, and I was like, it’s time for me to GTFO out of this city. Right. Yeah. And that’s really what got me slightly more into the burbs. Yeah. But yeah, tell us about it. And hopefully I won’t be re-traumatized as well.

Speaker 1: 09:25
Oh my God. Okay, so December 12th, 2019, a handful of individuals started experiencing fever and atypical pneumonia that emerged in China. December 31st, 2019. China informs the WHO World Health Organization of several cases of severe acute pneumonia with unknown origin. Symptomology includes shortness of breath and fever. January 7th, 2020. Scientists in China confirm that the virus is a coronavirus. January 11th, 2020. China reports the first death due to SARS-CoV-2. SARS-CoV-2 at this point is being called the novel coronavirus. That’s sort of like what the media starts talking about. And it didn’t actually come out as like COVID-19 until later. We started calling that. January 14th, 2020, the first laboratory test confirms SARS-CoV-2 outside of China in Thailand. January 15th, Japan confirms their first case. January 17th, CDC begins screening individuals who have traveled through Wuhan to America. So in LA, in San Francisco, New York City, which are the places that got hit pretty hard.

Speaker 2: 10:44
Yeah. When you’re saying these are the first and the first reported cases, do we think they were the first cases?

Speaker 1: 10:50
No. Okay. January 20th, 2020. The US has now reported their first case of COVID-19. January 31st. A nationwide travel ban has been placed on all non-American citizens who have been in China within the last 14 days. Is this not like giving you this is like it’s so triggering saying these things? February 11th, 2020. Who announces the official name of the disease that’s causing the 2019 novel coronavirus outbreak, which is COVID-19? March 11th, more than 118,000 cases in 114 countries and 4,291 deaths caused by COVID-19. And the WHO officially declares COVID-19 a pandemic. March 13th, the Trump administration declares a national emergency and issues a travel ban on 24 European countries and the first stay-at-home order for the next two weeks to try to get ahead of the spreading virus. So flatten the curve. Flatten the curve. We are officially today recording this podcast five years from the first stay-at-home order. I think if it had just been two weeks, it could have been kind of nice.

Speaker 2: 12:10
Yeah. Like I feel like you’re right, we were we rediscovered Zoom. We were we were zooming happy hours. Yeah. Zooming book clubs. We had our we had like our little pods or buddies that we were, you know, quarantine with that were we were like, we can see this family and that’s it. Right. Right. And yeah, but then it didn’t just last two weeks.

Speaker 1: 12:27
No. And I remember in the hospital specifically, like there was a lot of like, okay, we’re we’re locked down. Yeah, all the elective cases were like canceled. They were basically saying, don’t come to the hospital unless you really have to come to the hospital. And it was just crazy.

Speaker 2: 12:45
Well, and then I feel like when we were seeing the patient patients who did come in, even those who didn’t have COVID, they were so much sicker. Right. Because they had been told to like avoid the ER. And they weren’t going to their doctors. Yeah. They weren’t, yeah. Yeah. And so they’d be like, well, I’ve been feeling lousy for a week, but I didn’t want to get COVID. Right. So I didn’t come in. And I also, in the midst of this little two-week lockdown, yeah, my all of my colleagues either got COVID. That was like before really we hadn’t even had patients yet, right? But all of my colleagues got it. And I was the only one the Department of Health would allow to work. So that was super fun for me for that week. Yeah, it was it was crazy.

Speaker 1: 13:20
Yeah. Yeah. We had uh actually we did we we always joke that our one of our co-workers was like patient zero at our hospital.

Speaker 2: 13:28
She got it from uh the grocery store.

Speaker 1: 13:30
Yeah, there was like a right down the street, the Whole Foods.

Speaker 2: 13:34
And then they had to put our hospital in diversion, the staff. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 13:37
Yeah. Yeah. It was just, it’s again, you like, I think everyone has like different experiences in the pandemic. And there’s a lot of people that I talked to who are like, yeah, it was wild. My kids didn’t go to school, and my husband and I just had to stay at home and like work from home and we didn’t see anyone for a year. And it’s like honestly, like I’m glad that I had to go to work because I didn’t have to stay home.

Speaker 2: 13:59
I agree. I think everything at work, again, was like twice as hard. But yes, I think I look back and I’m like, if I living by myself, didn’t have any social interaction, like work with my social interaction. Right. Otherwise, yeah, I’d have just been in my I would have gone crazy. Right.

Speaker 1: 14:15
Oh, and we have to tell the story about Colleen. I wish she was here so she can. So Colleen used to live with her aunt, you know this, right? Um, her aunt lived, you know, 20 minutes from the hospital. Our co-worker, again, this is the time where everyone was like so panicked. If some if you knew somebody who had a like who had an exposure, you were like staying home for 14 days because you weren’t sure if you were gonna get the virus. And so Colleen had an exposure from our coworker. And she called her aunt on the way home. And her aunt kicked her out.

Speaker 2: 14:49
Oh, but I didn’t even think, yeah, her aunt said you better find somewhere else to stay. Right. So now she’s in her car, like trying to find somewhere else to stay.

Speaker 1: 14:56
Right, having a full-on Menti B. Yeah. And she ended up in this like room that she rented in a house, and it’s just you know, you know. She temporarily had to do her dishes in the in the bathtub. Yeah. Daniel the German in the basement. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so she has this whole story, but yeah, for the first two weeks of the pandemic, Colleen was homeless trying to find a place, trying to take care of patients, healthcare heroes, you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was our first couple weeks, just wild. But then it didn’t end, huh? No, it just kept going. And I remember 2020 being over and 2021, like New Year’s Eve, and just being like, nothing’s gonna change. It was just awful. Um, anyway, so Megan, what are your thoughts about Dr. Fauch? What let’s talk about 2020 thoughts. What did you think of 2020?

Speaker 2: 15:48
Okay, so 2020, I thought this man is a hero. I was just like, this guy is looking out for for all of our health. Yep. He’s such a smart guy, works for the NIH, he’s got decades of experience. Right. I didn’t think, again, I don’t think his thought of flatten the curve so that ERs don’t get overwhelmed in these first two weeks was unreasonable. My my 2020 opinion of him was very different from my opinion of him today.

Speaker 1: 16:16
Right. And and I want to talk about the flatten the curve thing too, because there was all these like re we didn’t have the resources for a pandemic. So that was another thing. They wanted to get the manufacturing up and running. But even so, like when when New York was like so overwhelmed, these patients that had breathing tubes had no sedation because there were just there was just none. Or like these community hospitals. We our hospital was like, we never ran out of masks. Yes, we were given our one N95 and were told, don’t lose it.

Speaker 2: 16:52
Here’s your paper paper bag. Yes, put it in a brown paper lunch bag and you just carry it around with you everywhere, and you had everyone had these like wrinkled up bags. Yeah. Right. And then like once a month you were allowed to trade it in for a fresh one.

Speaker 1: 17:04
Right, exactly. And then ours never actually got like there were some hospitals that were like reusing theirs, like they would go through like UV light, and then they were being reused. And like we never, we we got to throw ours out. We never had trash bags, right? We never had trash bags.

Speaker 2: 17:19
Yeah, I think uh hearing people at other hospitals, I think especially they had to wear like cloth masks and like my mom was sewing sewing the cloth mask for the hospital.

Speaker 1: 17:28
Yes, so yeah, just like wild. So yeah, so the the flatten the curve wasn’t the first two weeks, not a bad idea. Let’s give our healthcare workers time to get resources to get us to the place where we’re actually prepared for this pandemic. Um, and that’s sort of like, but then it just kept going on and on and on, and the anxiety and the mental health, like, oh my gosh. So yeah, my thoughts on 2020 Fauci is just like Dr. Fauci, I was like, sing he’s my hero, like he’s so smart, kind of like Megan said, like, I can’t believe anyone’s like criticizing him, especially in 2021. There’s a lot of criticism, and like, oh, he’s just getting his like five minutes of fame, and I’m just like, and I think as a healthcare worker, you were like really like personally taking offense to everything because we were in the trenches and like we went from 2020 healthcare heroes to 2021 healthcare zeros, and it was like everyone else was outliving our lives and we were still in hell. That’s how COVID, that’s how 2021 was in the hospital.

Speaker 2: 18:32
I don’t know the people really outliving their lives, but I will say that I know like 2021 into 2022 when people started complaining that they had to go back to work and they were so terrified about getting the virus, and I was like, Some of us have been in it for over a year. Right. And then to hear people being like, Oh my gosh, I can’t believe they’re making me go back to the office where I could get COVID.

Speaker 1: 18:54
Right. That was like And you’re like, wait, I’m actually up in this patient’s mucus. Yeah. Like, yeah. So, okay, so let me tell you about Dr. Fauci. So Dr. Anthony Fauci attended undergrad at the College of Holy Cross, and he attended medical school at Cornell University, where in 1966 he graduated with his medical degree in internal adult medicine focusing on immunology and infectious disease. He served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease from 1984 to 2002. In 2021, he was appointed chief medical advisor by President Joe Biden until he retired a year later. He has been cited in many medical and scientific journals, and in 2008, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President George W. Bush for his work on the United States president’s emergency plan for AIDS relief. This is also known as PEPFAR. And this program sort of helped add global funding for the HIV and AIDS epidemic, as well as offer help in preventing severe complications or death for those suffering from the disease. But we just kind of know him as like the pandemic guy. The face of COVID. Yeah. That guy with the the the little guy with the Jersey accent. Yeah. Jersey or New Jersey accent. It’s like a New Jersey City accent. Yeah. Um, yeah. Let’s talk about where K COVID came from. Okay. Let’s talk about it. Do you remember what they started telling us at the beginning of the of the pandemic? Again, I do remember initially them saying it came from a wet market. Right. So in the beginning, there was all this like news articles and everything like that. That the that it came from a wet market. Which the wet market in China is like isn’t like a fish market? It’s like a it’s like a market you can go and get like meat from. Um and it’s like not regulated. Like this kind of stuff that comes from the wet market is like questionable at best, right? This is where you get cats. Um cat meat. Oh my god. Dog meat. What about the bats? Because they were the bats were a story at one point. Well, that was the thing. They’re telling everybody that the bats. The bats are where the COVID came from.

Speaker 2: 21:03
Wait, bats gave it to the animals in the wet market? No, that somebody ate a bat.

Speaker 1: 21:08
Because they’re eating cats. Why wouldn’t they eat bats? Right. Because the first SARS, you know, before there was COVID, there was SARS. SARS was like this panda, it was an epidemic. It never became a pandemic, but it came basically from this like raccoon-looking animal. I I don’t know the actual name of it. I didn’t write it down.

Speaker 2: 21:23
Oh, but no, I do remember this because is it a pangola? Is that right? Pangola. Hold on. Let me let me fact check that. Pangolin. The pangolin. Yeah, it looks like a it looks like a rabid cat raccoon. It’s like a raccoon that’s scaly.

Speaker 1: 21:36
Yeah. SARS basically was kind of like the same virus where it makes you, it is in a it’s a it’s a respiratory illness that basically makes you get pulmonary edema and basically suffocate suffocate and die. So how COVID, you know, people were dying from COVID. Not just pulmonary edema, but acute respiratory failure and all that acute respiratory. A massive inflammatory response. Yeah. So then there was MERS, and MERS was. Not in China, it was in the Middle East, and it was another coronavirus, and that had jumped from animal to human. And so, anyway, but again, contained did not spread like COVID spread. So that was like the first sort of thought. This is what they’re telling the public. But let me let me let you in on this little secret. Okay. I’m gonna introduce to you another player in the game. Okay.

Speaker 2: 22:24
Okay.

Speaker 1: 22:25
Okay, this is Dr. Robert Redfield, and he is the director of the CDC at the time in 2020. He’s an American virologist who served as the 18th director at the CDC and the administrator of agency for toxic substances and disease registry from 2018 to 2021. He attended Georgetown University. Oh, Hoya Sachsa, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3: 22:46
Yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:46
And he also worked in Columbia, at the Columbia University in New York City labs where investigations focus on the involvement of retroviruses in human disease. So he earned both his bachelor and his doctorate at the school of medicine in Georgetown. So we love we love it. Anyway, he did his medical residency. We love this also at Walter Reed. Yeah, I know he’s part of the Army. We love it. He did his internship in internal medicine and he then he became a U.S. Army officer. He completed his fellowship at Walter Reed in infectious disease and tropical medicine. So we can say that this guy sounds like he knows infectious diseases, right?

Speaker 2: 23:30
Kind of feeling like the head, the head of the CDC, who’s an expert in viruses, why did we not see his face? Exactly.

Speaker 1: 23:39
Kind of weird, right? Right. Right. In the U.S. Army, he also worked for a decade in virology, immunology, and clinical research.

Speaker 2: 23:49
Okay, please tell me what this man has to say about COVID.

Speaker 1: 23:53
Yes. So this guy gets a call December 31st, 2019. 2019. Okay. 2019 from the CDC director in China, Dr. G A O Gao. And the guy says, listen, Dr. Redfield, I’ve got 27 cases of this unspecified pneumonia. And I think it’s coming from the wet market. Okay. So Dr. Gao says this to him. He’s like, okay, that’s weird. Hangs up the phone. Thinks it’s strange. Follows pretty closely. A couple days later, he gets another phone call from this guy. Same guy, Dr. Gao. And he’s like, you know, now I have hundreds of cases of this atypical pneumonia that we don’t know what’s causing it. And I don’t think it’s actually coming from the wet markets. So this is January. This is January of 2020. Okay. Okay. So head of the CDC, Dr. Redfield, gets off the phone, makes a call to the National Security Council. Second phone call he makes to Dr. Fauci. And he says to Dr. Fauci, he shares this his this concern, like, and this is the reason why Dr. Gao is saying, like, I don’t think this is coming from the wet market because the virus is spreading so quickly. And like I said about MERS and SARS one, it couldn’t it couldn’t figure out how to transmit in between humans.

Speaker 2: 25:25
Yeah, I heard this. It takes a lot of time to change. Yes. So of course, animal to animal or whatever, it takes a much longer time to adapt to then be able to infect humans. Exactly.

Speaker 1: 25:36
Which is why it was it was they were so contained. Because it really like is as as long as you quarantine those people, it would die. Because it couldn’t figure out how to jump from human to human. But COVID was too intelligent. So it started yeah, interesting, right? Yeah. So he goes to Tony, Dr. Fauci, and he says, Yo, Tony, I think we really need to look at this because this is really interesting. I think this could probably be a virus from the lab, and we need to look into it. From the like he knew Wuhan Lab immediately. No, I think he just knew it. He knew that it was like bioengineering. It’s probably man-made. Right. Okay. And Dr.

Speaker 2: 26:15
Fauci, who is a man of science, who is quoted to have said I think he says an attack on me is an attack on science, which I will say, the ego. The ego. Yes.

Speaker 1: 26:26
You guys can look you guys can pull this up. Yeah, fact check me. What did he say? Attacks on me, quite frankly, are attacks on science. Yeah. Okay. Which to me, I’m sorry. You’re equivalent. Yeah, you’re equivalent to science.

Speaker 2: 26:41
Yeah. My guy. I mean, that sounds in retrospect now, it feels like a way to, yeah, to be. I mean, I feel like this was very politicized, right? But it feels like a way to be like, shut up and don’t question me. Right. Because if you’re question, yeah, if you’re questioning me, you’re questioning science. And so And science is always right. Yes. Which we we believe that. We learn science. Science is right.

Speaker 1: 27:00
Science is right, but you also should always question science, right? Because that’s the whole point of research.

Speaker 2: 27:05
Yes. Everything in science is questioned. We peer review everything. Right. Everything has to go through like a rigorous trial.

Speaker 1: 27:12
Trialism. Yeah. So Dr. Redfield finds it interesting because Dr. Fauci just is like, no, it clearly can’t be bioengineered. This is definitely coming from the wet market. And Dr. Redfield is like, hold on a second. You’re a man of science, and it is weird, strange, that you’re only considering one hypothesis. You’re not even questioning this. Yeah, and you’re not even, you’re not even considering all of the things that could actually happen. Okay. So again, so Dr. Redfield argues that so this novel virus could actually have come from gain of function research.

Speaker 2: 27:50
Gain of function. This is taking me back to Plum Island.

Speaker 1: 27:53
Megan, what is gain of function?

Speaker 2: 27:55
So gain of function is when you take something that already exists. Okay, you take a virus that already exists and you want to find a way to make it function in other ways. So we think about this a lot with like engineering bioweapons. And I think, again, we talked a lot about this in our Plum Island episode. I think the example we talked about with the gain of function then was like how we had the borelia bacteria, and they were able to develop it into Lyme disease and inject it into ticks to make it a tick-porn illness that you could potentially use as warfare bioweapon. That’s my kind of gain of function is trying to take this virus that already exists, but manipulating it in a way to give it a different use. So that could be like a vaccine, like it could be for the benefit of people, it could be bioweapon, whatever.

Speaker 1: 28:39
The Board of Life Sciences. No, that that was a perfect, that was a perfect way to explain it. I’m gonna give you an act of it. Yeah, I’ll give you guys a definition. So uh Board of Life Sciences and the potential risks and benefits of gain of function research, the summary of a workshop, they describe gain of function as quote, routine virological methods involving experiments that aim to produce a gain of a desired function, such as a higher yields for vaccine strains, but often also lead to loss of function, such as loss of the ability for a virus to replicate well as a consequence. In other words, any selection process involving an alteration of genotypes and the resulting phenotypes is considered a type of gain of function research. Genotypes for people who don’t science nerds who aren’t science nerds, you know. Um, that is like how your gene expresses or your gene looks. You can look at DNA and each of your DNA has like codes on like a sequence of a sequence of codes, right? Exactly. And so that is like what we talk about when when the uh talk about a genotype. We have genotypes as humans, anything, any type of organism has a specific genotype, right? And you can you can look at that genotype and kind of figure out where that gene is, what kind of organism that’s coming from. And then phenotype, when we talk about phenotypes, that’s how the genes express themselves. So that’s like I have a gene for brown hair, therefore I have brown hair. But when you’re talking about a virus, let’s talk very simply the flu virus, the influenza virus. The influenza influenza virus has a very specific genotype. When you get infected with the with the genotype, we know how the virus is going to work. We know the phenotype of how it’s going to express itself. You’re gonna get body aches, fever, chills. This is something that we see, maybe cough, runny nose. This is this is classic flu symptoms, right? This is how we all, you know, this is how we know what the flu looks like. So when you’re talking about viruses, that’s what you’re talking about. There’s a genotype of the virus, and then how it expresses itself, aka the symptomology of the virus, and that would be your phenotype. Okay, makes sense? Yep. And we do know that the government had been working with gain of function. Yeah, we can go back and listen to our plum island, right? Yeah, that was America. You know who loves gain of function research? Tony. Tony the tiger, Dr. Fauci, loves gain of function research. And Redfield, Dr. Redfield, the head of the CDC, claims that Fauci believed that the best way to predict the next pandemic was by creating it. That sounds a little sinister, don’t you think? It gives me again the ego.

Speaker 2: 31:40
Exactly. The ego to be like, okay, I get it. My my goal is a is a positive thing. My goal is to try to let’s create a virus so that we can prevent it from becoming a pandemic later, but like I’m gonna have total control of this unknown virus. Right. The God complex that you have to have. Yes, that like the delusions of grandeur, exactly grandiosity.

Speaker 1: 32:02
I can create something that’s so deadly, but if I create it, then I can control it. My guy. No, you can’t, as evidence by the pandemic we experienced. The pandemic. Okay, let me give you another player. Okay. Dr. Richard Ebright. Richard Ebright is an American molecular biologist. He has nothing to do with the CDC, he was never in the CDC. He’s just uh just quote, um, on the board of governors and the professor of chemistry and chemical biology at the Red Kers University. He also is the director of the Waxman Institute of Microbiology. Okay, so microbiology, they’re studying diseases there, they’re studying things on a micro level. Um, and then he was also co-appointed um the investigator of Howard Hughes Medical Institute from 1997 to 2013. So this guy’s also pretty smart, right? He and Tony Fauci basically don’t like each other. They’ve never liked each other. Whereas Dr. Redfield and Tony worked together on their AIDS project. Um, if you want to go back, like like I said, George W. Bush awarded Tony Fauci on his like work with AIDS and funding AIDS and the research involved with it. Dr. Redfield and Dr. Fauci were like buddies. They were colleagues, they worked closely together. Dr. Ebraite, not so much. Okay. Not a fan of Fauci. From the very beginning. Is he a fan of Redfield? Yeah. No beef there. No beef with Redfield, but beef with Fauci. Beef with Fauci. Okay. Because he’s basically saying that, you know, from the beginning, it is obvious that the virus was bioengineered and that it is crazy that the public is being told that like it was it came from a bat and it jumped from animal to human and it’s just so smart that it can replicate in humans. So again, he he accuses Dr. Fauci um for lying to the public and then also continuing to deny that there’s been like gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. So this is sort of like I’m sort of getting ahead of myself, but I want you guys to to know that these are like people that were coming out in the beginning that were saying, like, this is not this this doesn’t make sense.

Speaker 2: 34:24
From the start, we have other experts in this area who are saying this was definitely made in a lot manufactured somehow. Man-made.

Speaker 1: 34:32
Man-made or manufactured right gain of function research, something like that. How did Fauci just become like the face of COVID? Oh, I’m so glad you asked. Okay. I’m so glad you asked. There was a press conference where actually Dr. Redfield does speak in it, and there is a and and he kind of like gives his spiel and then steps back, and then someone from the media asks, like, Well, where do you think it came from? And Tony just steps up to the mic and starts talking about how it’s jumped from animal to human. And then suddenly he becomes the face of the pandemic. Wow. And Dr. Redfield, you know, talks about it later in one of his interviews. He says, like, that’s just now I’m looking back on it, and it just seems so weird. Like you would think that the director of the CDC should be answering these questions, but Dr. Fauci wasn’t even, he was just not just. I mean, it is a big deal to be the director of like the virologist and immunology in the NIH.

Speaker 2: 35:35
Yeah, was he like the highest paid government employee or something? Right. Yeah, with I would think CDC. Right. That’s our guy. Exactly.

Speaker 1: 35:42
Okay. I want to introduce another player, Christian Anderson. Christian Anderson is this Danish evolutionary biologist, and he works at the Department of Immunology and Microbiology at Scripps Research in La Jolla, California. Okay. Um, he obtained his bachelor’s in molecular biology at our house university, and then he went and got his PhD in immunology at the University of Cambridge. So he worked pretty closely with Ebola during the Western African Ebola virus epidemic, which was in 2014.

Speaker 2: 36:18
I don’t know if you remember that. I do remember that because I was on the Ebola team. Oh yeah. We had a different, there was sort of like an old unit that wasn’t really being used, and they converted it to like the Ebola unit, and they had a handful of healthcare workers who volunteered to work this unit. And I think we got one patient who was a false alarm. Right. So yeah, but I do remember but I do remember the panic around it, like that it’s coming. And yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:45
I mean, I remember going through COVID and thinking about Ebola, and like I was like, I would still panic more about Ebola than COVID. Like I was just like Ebola’s scary.

Speaker 2: 36:57
Um every orphous is scary.

Speaker 1: 37:00
Yeah, it kills you in like a a week. But yeah, so I I mean I did a project on Ebola in third grade, and I’ll never forget you like start with a sore throat. And I went to bed that night and I had a sore throat, and I was like, oh my gosh, do I have Ebola?

Speaker 2: 37:13
It was then they should have started you on an SSRI.

Speaker 1: 37:15
Yeah. I was like, wait. So yeah, Ebola has been like traumatic for me ever since third grade. So in 2014, when this like pandemic happened and they were like, it could come to America, and then like we got all tr hospital trained for it, like because yeah, and there were like a couple cases. We had a couple.

Speaker 2: 37:32
There was the nurse from Texas, right?

Speaker 1: 37:34
And she was transferred to NIH, yeah. And was treated. She was fine.

Speaker 2: 37:38
I think I did see there was some clip where Tony got all um gowned up for photo op with her or something.

Speaker 1: 37:43
Yeah, and he never took care of her. Yeah, he just brought a cameraman in there with him.

Speaker 2: 37:46
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:47
Real real hero there, and it’s all the hindsight, you know? Right. Also, Anderson did some work with Zika. Remember Zika? Oh god. Um, but I do know that Zika, I was pregnant with Patch when Zika was happening, and it was like all this like, you know, drama around it. And Burber Boy had to go to, I don’t know, he was traveling a lot and he went somewhere that was like a hot spot, and I was 30 weeks pregnant, and they were like, no sex until after the baby’s born.

Speaker 2: 38:13
Also, I mean, at 30 weeks, the brain’s mostly formed, right?

Speaker 1: 38:16
Yeah, but then I think the deal isn’t Zika like giving you, doesn’t it give you little heads? Yeah, it was giving you, yeah, micro, what was it called? Yeah, microcephaly. Yeah, microcephaly. I took that back to one of the infectious disease doctors at our hospital, and he was like, Oh, this is really interesting question. Let me w look this up for you. And so he did, and he got back to me, and he was like, Yeah, wrap it up. So, yeah, just Christian Anderson, remember that name. Okay, okay. So let’s go back to January 11th, 2020. Okay. This is when China released uh SARS-CoV-2 as the like the genome for it. They they actually had the sequence of the virus. Okay. And they were looking at the virus, and they’re like, Okay, this is really interesting. There’s one part of the virus that actually stood out to them. And they were comparing it, you know, before they came out of SARS-CoV-2. They they identified the virus as a coronavirus. And there are lots of different strands of coronaviruses. You guys can get coronaviruses and it’s just a cold cold. Yeah. Which is kind of funny because I can’t remember. This had nothing to do with my research, but it was theorized that the next pandemic would be a coronavirus before all of this happened. I don’t know, I forget where I heard that. Anyway, so someone had theorized this. So they’re looking at it and they’re comparing this genomic sequence to other coronaviruses, and they find this really interesting sequence. And the sequence is P R R A. They figured out that this sequence was on, like it’s called a furin cleavage site. And this furin cleavage site was on one of the spikes. Coronaviruses, they they are called coronaviruses because they have these spikes around them that look like a crown, corona crown. So these spikes actually like attach to, because you guys know that well, I don’t know if you know this, but a virus can’t live without a host. So it attaches itself to a human cell or whatever, you know, like a dog cell or whatever. And it dispenses its DNA into the cell, forces the cell to replicate, and then that’s how it replicates in humans.

Speaker 2: 40:19
The spikes or like the cleavage site you’re talking about, that’s what makes it so infectious. Infectious. Exactly. Um, so easily transmissible. Right.

Speaker 1: 40:29
So this is this is something that they’re like, wait a second. What’s this doing here? What is this right here? And at this point, like all the virologists in the that are looking at this is like, okay, this is suspicious, and this definitely looks like it was put here on purpose. Some human manipulation. Exactly. Fast forward to February 1st, 2020, there’s a conference call with the world’s top scientist. Dr. Fauci calls it, but guess who’s left out? Our boy Dr. Redfield? Uh-huh. Huh. The director of CDC is left off the Zoom call. Well, who’s on the Zoom call? Christian Anderson was on it. One of the one of the one of the scientists, it was Christian Anderson who was on it.

Speaker 2: 41:14
So, but it was a lot of big wigs. A lot of big wigs. So all the big wigs except the biggest big wigs.

Speaker 1: 41:20
Except the biggest of wigs.

Speaker 2: 41:21
Yes.

Speaker 1: 41:22
The director of the CDC is not on the Zoom call. What happened on the Zoom call? Well, it’s funny you asked that, Megan, because you know what? Not people don’t really know what happened on the Zoom call, but they did, they were able to pull up the chat. Oh, okay. And do you know what the chat said? What did the chat say? One of the guys on it said, This is a big ass. Okay. Basically, let’s see if we can do this. This is a big ask. We don’t know what that big ask is.

Speaker 2: 41:53
Hush. Mm-hmm. Okay. Cover it up. Is that the big ask?

Speaker 1: 41:57
I don’t know because you know what? A week after this, floods of scientist scientific papers come out.

Speaker 2: 42:04
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 42:05
Saying that the coronavirus, the novel coronavirus, definitely had nothing to do with a lab, and then it definitely came from bats.

Speaker 2: 42:17
Hmm. So we have all these brilliant people saying we’re looking at this genotype. This is definitely made in a lab, but now we have a big ask and a ton of papers saying no, it came from a bat. And even better. What would be their motivation?

Speaker 1: 42:31
Oh, I don’t know. That’s a great question, Megan. I think we’ll get to that later. Okay, I’ll hold my thought. I’m gonna read to you some of these papers. Ready? Yeah. Oh, this isn’t even a this isn’t even a week after February 3rd, 2020. I have papers published. A pneumonia outbreak associated with a new coronavirus of probable bat origin. Article states quote Since the outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome, SARS 18 years ago, a large number of SARS-related coronaviruses have been discovered in their natural reservoir host. Bats. Previous studies have shown that some bat SARS R-COVS, which is not SARS-CoV-2, this is SARS-CoV-1, have the potential to infect humans. It then goes on to say, quote, it appears that most of the early cases had contact history with original seafood market. However, the disease has not progressed to be transmuted transmitted by human to human contact, original SARS-CoV-1. And then it goes on to say that COVID-19 actually did come from an original seafood market or a wet market. And most importantly, strict regulations against the domestication and consumption of wildlife should be implemented. So that’s the first article that comes out. Okay.

Speaker 2: 44:00
So there should be some regulation, but this is before March. We haven’t even locked down yet. And already we we’re getting propagandized.

Speaker 1: 44:08
Mm-hmm. Okay. March 17th, which is right after the lockdown. March 17th, 2020, Christian Anderson on the Zoom call appears in a medical journal article. Quote, although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origins described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. End quote.

Speaker 2: 45:00
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 45:01
And they were like peer-reviewed then. Peer reviewed medical journals journals. And when you open them, the facts and figures are empty.

Speaker 2: 45:10
Oh my God. So even when they even when they published these, they were like incomplete. Exactly. Sounds like opinion pieces maybe that they were like pushing off as yes.

Speaker 1: 45:21
And you want to talk about opinion pieces? That that article came out March 17th, 2020. March 7th, so 10 days earlier, 2020, a Lancet article, which is a big Lancet, yeah, that’s a big medical journal. Quote The rapid, open, and transmitted sharing of data on this outbreak is now being threatened by rumors and misinformation around its origins. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. End quote. So they’re just getting in front of it.

Speaker 2: 45:57
They are the virus is not even here. And if you don’t believe the party line, then you’re just a crazy conspiracist. Exactly.

Speaker 1: 46:07
Which is what people tell us all the time. Right. Let’s go back. Christian Anderson. He was actually consulted about a possible lab leak. And he exchanged some emails with Fauci in 2020, kind of like expressing like, you know, we’re like analyzing this virus genome and like, are we sure that this wasn’t a lab leak? January 2020. This was part of the emails.

Speaker 2: 46:33
Oh, so before the papers came out.

Speaker 1: 46:35
Before the papers came out. So he’s questioning things before the papers even came out. Right. Okay. This was February 1st. So Christian Anderson is talking to him in January 20, Dr. Fauci in 2020, is like, we in an email, we need to investigate this further.

Speaker 2: 46:48
March Zoom call in February. In March, this guy who already was skeptical is sending out is putting out propaganda that this was definitely from the wet market. Right. Exactly. That is suspicious. What happened in that Zoom call to give him to make him do a complete 180?

Speaker 1: 47:06
I don’t know, except for the fact that uh it was a big ask, Megan. It was a okay. Yeah, that’s wild. Okay. Okay. So yeah. So originally Christian Anderson’s like, I don’t know about this. So when that like article comes out, it was the Lancet article comes out. And there’s a this whole like press conference. And Fauci, Dr. Fauci gets up and he’s like, you know, like he basically says, like, it’s it’s an article was just published. I don’t know the authors on this. I I don’t have the names of the authors to tell you, but like it, you know, it it dra it went from animal to animal to human, and that’s we know that for sure. This is the article that he’s referencing this article. I’m sorry. You were on a phone call with all of the authors, not even a month ago, and you’re telling me you don’t know the names of these authors.

Speaker 2: 48:01
Yeah, this seems like his fingers were all in in this, and now he’s trying to play it cool in his press conference. Like, oh, this great article just came out. I’ll have to I’ll have to get it to you. I don’t know who wrote it. But these are all the people in your little conspiracy circle.

Speaker 1: 48:13
Exactly. Wow. Okay. Kind of weird, right? So this is this is what we’re being told early in 2020. It came from, I remember this. It came from bats, they ate the bats, and uh this is anybody basically who’s saying it’s made it’s lab made is a conspiracy theorist. I remember this happening, and I remember like fighting and being like, this is crazy. This smart guy, Dr. Fauci, he knows what he’s talking about. Like, why would you even question him? This is this is what’s happened. But now I’m looking back and I’m like, yeah, how can it transmit?

Speaker 2: 48:46
I mean, I again, I always thought, oh, this probably just came from a lab, but I guess I didn’t realize the like intentional cover-up that was happening. Exactly. Like I just thought everyone was confused. I was like, come on, let’s be real. This probably just came from a lab. This is so much more conspiratorial that like we have science, the face of science, right, conspires, conspire with all these other scientists to mislead the public. Right.

Speaker 1: 49:13
On where my question is like, why do you think they’re misleading it, Megan?

Speaker 2: 49:17
Well, I want to know. I asked you, okay. What’s what is the motive for all of these bigwigs to risk their professional reputations? What is the motivation for Tony to lie to us? Tell me.

Speaker 1: 49:29
Okay. So uh 2014 Ebola outbreak. You know about this. Yeah. Okay. Ebola broke out in Western Africa in a place that it had never been seen before. Okay, so the Ebola virus is named after a river because it was it was found in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, formerly known as Zaire. Um, so it first was uh first outbroke in this river.

Speaker 2: 49:54
This isn’t we’re in Africa, these people go to the river to drink the water. The water has Ebola in it, so when they drink the river water, they get Ebola.

Speaker 1: 50:00
Right. Okay. And then Ebola just has this like terrible basically, it sends your body into DIC. You nausea, vomit, and then you basically go, you get septic, go into DIC, and then you die from like bleeding from all your orfaces. Right. It’s it’s it’s terrible. It’s a terrible virus. And a lot of it’s because like in Africa, they don’t have the nutrition like we do. They don’t have the clean water, they don’t have and so they can’t, you know, stay hydrated the way that we can. So really it’s devastating because these these Africans just don’t have the resources that we do. And that’s sort of how we treated Ebola here is like we just, you know, we supported their fluid and electrolyte balances. And as long as you support their fluid and electrolyte balance, like they were able to get better. So 2014, but this is this, so where it origin originates in the D Democratic Republic of the Congo, completely different place than where it popped up in 2014. In 2014, people are like saying to themselves, how did it get here? How did Ebola get suddenly pop up in the water? Just suddenly pop up over here. And it was theorized that like there was gain of function research being done because they wanted to. That has been something the CDC has been and NIH have been working on. And part of the reason why people do, like I said, when I read you the perp, the definition the definition of game of gain of function research, it is because we want to develop vaccines for these viruses. Yeah. So part of it is like it’s research so that we can develop a vaccine, but also it can become dangerous.

Speaker 2: 51:45
Yeah.

Speaker 1: 51:46
So there was it’s theorized that the Ebola, I mean, this is another whole other conspiracy that people we could talk about, but basically it’s theorized that gain of function research is the reason why there was this huge outbreak in this specific part of Africa, because it otherwise would have never been able to get to that point. And that was the whole thing about Ebola, is like Ebola pretty much stayed in this Ebola River and it lied dormant until it decided to come out again. So again, it was specific to this region in Africa. We know what else happened in 2014, Megan? What? Uh the US halted funding for gain of function research. Because they knew that Ebola was from gain of function. I mean, I’m sure it had something to do with that. They were probably like, oh, hold on a second.

Speaker 2: 52:28
Okay.

Speaker 1: 52:29
Yeah. And this is uh Tony Fauci has been all over gain of function. Yeah. Let’s let’s go back to the fact that he loved gain of function. This is what he’s been doing and studying his whole time at the NIH. Okay. Okay, so just keep that in the back of your mind. I just want you to have that little kernel of information in the back of your mind. 2014 Ebola outbreak. No more gain of function. No more gain of function. Okay. What do we know about the Wuhan Institute of Virology? What do you know about that, Megan?

Speaker 2: 52:58
I know it’s a I do know it’s a level four lab, yes, which I only really know about because again, our coverage of Plum Island, because the Plum Island in New York was like a level three, I think. But when they moved to Kansas, it became a level four. And I was like, this makes me so uncomfortable. Because that means it’s not animal to animal transmissible diseases, it’s animal to human transmissible diseases. Exactly. And so the Wuhan Institute of Virology is also a level four, correct?

Speaker 1: 53:24
Yes, but it didn’t become a level four. It opened in 1956. Okay. It didn’t become a level four until 2017. Okay. Interesting. Mm-hmm. In 2017, like you said, um, it became a level four where it basically um was able to study human interest. Yeah, human. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the human the Wuhan Institute of Virology is most famous for researching coronaviruses. Interesting. Very interesting. Okay. 2018, it becomes a biosafety level four. Okay.

Speaker 2: 53:59
Okay. A year before this corona outbreak, this coronavirus lab that is studying, that is upgraded to a level four lab to do it. It takes a year for this freak outbreak to happen in the same city.

Speaker 3: 54:15
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 54:16
But were they doing gain of well, I guess, yeah, because only US outlawed gain of function, right?

Speaker 1: 54:20
Mm-hmm. So gain of function in the US becomes the it’s lifted in 2017. Okay, so 2017, gain of function’s lifted. 2018, Wuhan lab opens, it’s it’s been open, it becomes leveled up to a level four. Okay. Okay. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t know if you knew there was 1.1 million dollars sent to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2018. It was sent during the Trump administration, and you the USAID, who has been all over the news. Stop. What about it? They are the ones that sent $1.1 million to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And what was that money to be? And the funding went straight towards advancing researches on viruses that could pose a harm to human and animal health. Interesting, right? Interesting. Although it was never, quote, authorized for the funding of gain of function research. Seems pretty interesting, right? Right. That all of a sudden gain of function research is banned in America. This Wuhan lab is like chilling. And 2017, people start talking, like, we’re gonna open up this level up. You think they’re just outsourcing? Mm-hmm. I think that’s exactly what happened. They outsourced the gain of function. They paid them to study the virus. Oh. There is a trail of money that shows that they paid them to study whatever it is they wanted to study.

Speaker 2: 56:14
This really does feel like Plum Island 2.0, except on a much more fatal scale.

Speaker 1: 56:22
Mm-hmm. And then in 2019, the Trump administration stopped the USAID’s work on this project. So this is like it just like a rough timeline. Like 2017, they start leveling up, they start talking about like we’re leveling up, Wuhan’s leveling up to level four. 2018, they get 1.1 million dollars. And then in 2019, Trump’s like, no, no, no, no, we’re not doing this anymore. And then all of a sudden, we have an outbreak that starts in Wuhan. And then in 2021, the Fauci emails become publicized. But the Fauci emails completely redacted. I’m so over the redactions. Yes. I mean, all you can see is like, dear Dr. Fauci. And then it’s like, thank you. It’s like black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black line, black line. Thank you. And then whatever, whoever they’re from. Christian Anderson. And like these are the emails that we’re getting. We’re like, wait a second. What?

Speaker 2: 57:22
Yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:23
What are you hiding? What are you hiding? They’ve since actually, like I said, they’ve actually now been um discoverable to the public. Like they’ve been released to the public. And again, let’s go back to Christian Anderson talking to Dr. Fauci in January about how he thought that this was actually a bioengineered virus. Um, in 2024, we have the Fauci hearings, where basically Fauci went before Congress and they discussed whether or not, you know, he lied to the public because all of this research is coming out that’s actually saying, you know, like this actually didn’t happen. Like bats, this didn’t like jump from a bat to a bat to a human and then suddenly become so smart that like it created a whole dang pandemic. Um and Fauci sat in front of Congress and basically said, like, there’s clips of him going, I cannot recall. I cannot recall. I cannot recall.

Speaker 2: 58:18
That’s what they all said.

Speaker 1: 58:20
I and then it also I get a lot of emails in a day. I cannot recall. I cannot recall. You guys can go look it up on YouTube the amount of times he says, I cannot recall. He basically was in 2024. This they basically like said, like there’s no evidence that supports that he knew anything about this. So yeah, so 2024, the Fauci hearings, basically nothing comes from it, right? Congress is Congress basically says, like, we cannot confirm nor deny that there’s any involvement of like lying to the public. But January 20th, 2025, sort of almost breaking news. Okay. Biden’s last day in office. The pardon, pre-pardons, Tony Fauci.

Speaker 2: 59:03
So I have mixed, listen, I think that again, the virus ended up being very politicized, as we talked about. And so I think that people would argue on the one hand that like Trump was coming in and he was such a bully and they were just trying to protect Fauci. But at the same time, a blanket pardon for your family and Tony. And it’s not even a it’s like a it’s a pre-part. Yes, it’s like anything that gets that is discovered in the future, he cannot be tried for.

Speaker 1: 59:33
In twenty let’s not forget, in 2021, he was appointed the chief medical advisor by President Joe Biden. He is appointed the guy. This is the guy that we are taught we are looking for for all medical. He is science. He is science, exactly. And then 2022, the year the emails are coming out, he retires and GTFOs. And then 2025, hours before someone Donald Trump becomes the 47th president president of the United States of America, he pre-pardons Dr. Fauci and he says, quote, the issuance of these pardons should not be mistaken as an acknowledgement that any individual engaged in any wrongdoing, nor should acceptance be misconstrued as an admission of guilt of any offense. Our nation owes their public servants a debt of gratitude for their tireless commitment to our country. End quote. But like, I’m sorry, a pre-pardon, my guy, he’s guilty.

Speaker 2: 01:00:49
I was just, I was just curious while you were talking there about um if Fauci financially benefited from this pandemic. And shocker, he did. Yeah. Says prior to the pandemic, he was worth 7.6 million. Also, again, government employee worth $7.6 million. Why? I just of all the questions about all the government, the all the government employees who are worth millions. You’re like a you make a couple. I mean, again, he’s the highest paid. I think he makes like $400,000 or something. But like Why are you worth these millions? Yes, he’s government employees who make, you know, $200,000 are senators, right? But are valued at millions and millions of dollars. And Nancy Pelosi? Yeah. Girl, why? So anyway, he it says that his net at by the end of 2021, he was worth $12.6 million. But in within two years, he made five million dollars, right? Nearly doubled his net worth. So interesting that he was making some kind of financial benefit here.

Speaker 1: 01:01:46
Mm-hmm. That’s super interesting. So I also want to I wanna like kind of fast forward to just like a couple days after the pre-partoning. Okay. In 2025. This is from a CB CBS news article. Quote, the CIA now believes the virus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic was most likely originated from a lab, according to assessment released Saturday, that points the figure finger at China. The CIA was investigating this? The CIA investigated it and is saying that the virus is likely from a lab.

Speaker 2: 01:02:25
So let me ask you this. Was this the first time that we were officially told by anybody that it could have been from a lab? This is the first time it basically that anyone has said like and it didn’t happen until after five years. I know and it didn’t have to, yeah, five years from that first email saying it’s definitely, but then also this happened right after the pardon. Exactly. That’s suspicious.

Speaker 1: 01:02:48
So suspicious. Okay. Okay, so also what up something that else was interesting enough, Megan, is that you know that little genome that I told you that made it stand out? Yep. You know what else? Where else that is found? Where? The HIV virus. You know what the HIV virus can do? Lay dormant in the immune system and basically trick the immune system so it can’t see it. You know how COVID-19 basically spread so fast? Because for 14 days it laid dormant in our body, and we were the most infectious during that time where there was no symptoms.

Speaker 2: 01:03:31
So you think they used the HIV virus, they manipulated the HIV virus and inserted that into the COVID virus? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That’s the theory. Interesting. And Fauci was an HIV guy. An HIV guy. Yes. Wow. Okay, but here’s the other thing you didn’t touch on as you’re wrapping up. Okay. What did he have over all those scientists in the Zoom call that would get them to risk their careers and lie about the origins of COVID?

Speaker 1: 01:04:02
Oh, I’m so glad you asked, Megan. All those guys on the Zoom call. Yeah. You know what they got? What’d they get? Money. Follow the money. That’s right. They got funding personally signed by Dr. Fauci himself for the N from the NIH to fund all of their little scientific projects. That is so corrupt. Um, I’m thinking I’m thinking that’s called bribery.

Speaker 2: 01:04:30
Yeah, I’m thinking these people are okay. So what now we have, I don’t know how many, maybe a dozen faces of science, right, that are all just lying to us about the science.

Speaker 1: 01:04:40
Does it not make you wonder what actually is right and what isn’t right? Yeah, what else have we been lying to about it?

Speaker 2: 01:04:46
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 1: 01:04:47
I all these medical journals that came out like year, like literally, they didn’t even study it. And they were just like, it’s from a bat. Yeah. And now five years later, we’re actually being told, like, no, actually, it was bioengineered. Yeah. I don’t understand. What I don’t understand is why couldn’t they just say that from the beginning? Yeah. I think Tony Fauci was trying to cover everything up for himself.

Speaker 2: 01:05:10
100%. Everything you’ve said, this was a clear cover-up. Right. And I feel like if you had just said I’m again, because I just kind of thought, oh yeah, this definitely came from a lab. And it was like, that’s that’s what happened. And what about my day? But I didn’t know it was such a big cover-up, and that’s what makes it so sketchy. Like, if you just come out in the past, in the past and been like, oh my gosh, we were studying this virus, and somebody accidentally, because wasn’t it like an employee, a worker who was one of the first-cause I accidentally did it? And it was like months before I think we even heard.

Speaker 1: 01:05:40
Oh my gosh. They were talking about how COVID was a thing in like October of 2019.

Speaker 2: 01:05:45
Yeah, because they I think the um there was like the military games or something. Yeah, yes.

Speaker 1: 01:05:49
And it was like, and and that was in like the yeah, fall winter way beginning of it. And they sent people from the freaking Wuhan lab to this place, and that’s Is where the spread starts. It was like Italy, France. Everyone came home and got the virus. Right, exactly.

Speaker 2: 01:06:07
And like Italy was like wrecked by the virus. Like it was the whole thing was an atrocity because again, the lives lost, the way the impact this has had now on like everything. Everything. And I think so. You had mentioned the hearing, but wasn’t there like an official something came out officially from the government that said it’s a maybe you said the CIA, but yeah, I thought the government released like a press release. They did an investigation and they said, like, yeah, this was definitely from a lab. It confirmed everything we’ve been saying. Right. And then and then it was talked about the repercussions of everything we did, like the lockdown, the emotional and intelligence, and like all of the ramifications on our children who didn’t go to school. Right. The the loss of money from unrelated to us treating the COVID vet the patients, but like the fraudulent claims. We lost like billions of dollars in unemployment, in people exploiting unemployment and people exploiting like COVID tax relief. Yeah, it just like the the it’s are we ever gonna come back from this?

Speaker 1: 01:07:11
Not really. Right. And the first one of the first studies just came out that like the lockdowns were actually not effective. There was no like, and it just shows that the stay-at-home order did more harm than good. Like you said, like the kids suffered. During COVID, the American Pediatric Association said it doesn’t matter how much screen time your kids have. When before they were recommending only two hours. But take to Zoom. Right. And so they’re like, give them as much screen time as they want because you need to stay at home. And like all of these masks, that the way they made us mask, the research didn’t support the masks. The only research that was supported was the actual the N95 masks, but like these masks that they had us running around outside in on the grocery stores, like these little simple surgical masks or the the cloth masks were a waste of time. When is the common sense going to take over that?

Speaker 2: 01:08:09
Well, and I think also this has really led to a distrust. So I think the like so as far as health care goes, the government report came out and said that this did lead to like worse health care for the pub general public and like longer wait times and misdiagnoses, and but I feel like it has also the anxiety amongst patients is so much higher than it used to be, and there’s so much more Dr. Google. Like everyone comes in and they’re fighting you on your treatment because of Google, and I get it because you’re like, I don’t really have faith in medical providers anymore. Yes, the medical providers, because you guys lied to us for five years. Right. And so now I’m just supposed to come in and believe what you tell me.

Speaker 1: 01:08:52
And it’s really sad because like we are just like the it’s like the trickle-down effect. It’s like we really just are like the ones suffering from this pandemic, from like being lied to, basically. Um, and and we’re the ones like at the bedsides with the patients. We were at the bedsides in 2021, like watching people die from COVID. And then now we’re at the bedside still in 2025, dealing with like the distrust. And like we aren’t the ones, like we are being treated like we’re the ones that conspired against the public when really we were just doing the best we can. I mean, every day we’re just doing the best we can in 2020 and 2021, especially doing the best we can. Like, it just doesn’t, and it feels it like personally, it just like makes me angry to think that this guy who was the face of yeah, don’t question the face of science the pandemic, who just is walking free after like lives and money lost. Well, he’s enjoying his millions of dollars, right? And he got off. That’s the thing. He got off. And he now he’s pardoned forever. It’s just wild to me. That is wild. I I’ve completely lost my respect for Dr. Dr. Fauci. Um, I think this is gonna make some people upset, but so yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:10:15
You know what? There was something interesting I I read about how because there was something interesting about how I don’t know if anyone remembers, but after 9-11 we had this like anthrax scare that that people were getting mailed anthrax and envelopes, uh, and it was all kind of fake, but but I like Fauci got his job in that interim window when they’re like, we have an anthrax anthrax outbreak, we need somebody to come in and lead things, and so he got this job, and then they’re like just getting anthrax wasn’t even real. Yeah, it was like basically a hoax. Yes, and so like he got his whole job as on a hoax. Yeah, but I do think we probably need to cover anthrax at some point because that’s kind of interesting as well.

Speaker 1: 01:10:54
Yeah, because anthrax was like a big deal. Like it’s like it was like quicksand. It was like don’t open the envelope, yeah. Be anthrax. Yes, yeah, someone could just mail something to your house, yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:11:04
So you and I agree. Yeah, Dr. Falgy should be in jail, should be in jail. This was definitely from a lab, which again I did not think was a big mystery, but the fact that there was such a cover-up to prevent it and the fact that we have I mean, I am such a believer in science. Every day when I make my decisions at work, I reference the literature, right? And if I if people can just publish peer-reviewed literature that is all just propaganda, right? And like, what do I even have to believe in?

Speaker 1: 01:11:28
And that’s that’s I think that’s like the most the the most anchoring thought of this all is just like propaganda. And what was the point? Yeah, was it all just to like cover your cover valgie up?

Speaker 2: 01:11:41
Yeah, I don’t know.

Speaker 1: 01:11:42
It’s just wild to me. And then like the yeah, Dr. Redfield, he was he was unseated as the director of the CDC in 2021. Like he didn’t they they got rid of him. What’s he doing now? Um, now he’s treating patients with long COVID. Wow, what a guy! Yeah.

Speaker 2: 01:12:00
All right, well, thank this was interesting. I’m sorry I fought you on it for so long. This was really interesting, though. Yeah, I’m sorry Colleen wasn’t here to hear it. I would have looked at the case.

Speaker 1: 01:12:06
I know I would have loved to hear her perspective because Colleen has such an interesting perspective. She does. Yeah. We’d have been getting mad and she’d have been cracking jokes too. She might have had a little levity for this. Yeah, exactly. Or she would have just been like angry with us because again, you guys all know we’re all healthcare workers, and it just feels like it just is upsetting when you were in it. You’re you’re elbow deep in the COVID bullshit and you’re still dealing with it. Yeah. We’ll see you next Tuesday.