241 Transcript – 3SchemeQueens

Hi.

What’s up?

You’ve got three voices here.

Three SchemeQueens today.

Just the three of us.

It’s been a minute.

You can make it if you tried.

You guys have made it cause you’ve tried.

Just the three of us.

What’s that song about?

It’s the two of us.

Right.

I really thought it was three, it’s just the two of us.

You ladies have both recovered.

My gosh.

Crawled out of your caves.

The plague.

I still have.

I’ll let you guys know that I did rub a potato on my wort and it’s not working.

But did you feed your cold?

I did.

I fed my cold with some with some tomato soup.

And you didn’t have any fevers?

No.

No fevers.

Yep.

I staved a fever.

There you go.

Yeah.

Wow.

Look at me.

Thanks, grandma.

Thanks, old wife.

Let’s thank my good friend, Mrs.

Capuchio.

Thanks, Kait.

She bought us a cup of coffee.

Yeah, thanks.

Capuchino, if you will.

Thanks, name twin.

Yeah, I always say my friend, Kait from Virginia, and then I’ll say, Kait from New England with a T-E.

And then we tried to introduce her to another Kait, and she said, I cannot have any more Kaits in my life.

Yeah.

I’m capped on Kaits.

I’m capped on Megan’s.

I have a lot of Megan’s.

Or dog Megan.

First she had a dog Megan.

Yeah.

Well, my parents also had a dog Megan.

I think those are my two big.

Your boss.

Yeah, my boss.

My friend’s wife is Megan.

A lot of them.

Okay.

They all spell it differently.

I was going to say they spelled the right way.

But anyways, thanks, Kait.

Thanks, Kait.

Thanks for the-

Yeah, guys.

If anyone else wants to buy us a cup of coffee, just check out our Instagram or check out our website, okay?

So is it time for our-

Drink check.

Yeah, drink check.

Kait, what are we drinking today?

This is a Shelly fave.

Oh, my mom’s Shelly.

Shout out Shelly.

Thanks, Mrs.

Shelly.

So this is one of her favorite bottles of wine.

It’s called Freak Show, Cabernet, Cab Sauve, if you will.

I’m not a big red wine drinker, but this is pretty tasty.

Yeah, I like it.

I’m not drinking it.

No, she took one sip and she was like, I don’t like red wine.

That was it.

I just I don’t like lukewarm drinks, and red wine has no benefit.

Well, I tried to bring you the red wine that you drink on ice, and you still didn’t like it.

I didn’t even like.

I was like, ugh.

Do you like sangria?

I was going to say, do you like sangria?

I do like sangria.

It’s because it’s fruity.

But I like it because it has juice in it, yeah.

Maybe during the season, we’ll have to have a sangria.

All right.

Why did you pick red wine?

Well, Colleen was saying, she’s doing some conspiracies today about the Catholic Church or the Pope, right?

The Vatican Archives.

Oh, the Vatican, yes, which is the capital of the Catholic Church.

And I thought, what is more Catholic than some red wine?

Red wine.

Yeah.

Red wine, sin, and guilt.

I was like, what do the Catholics always feel for you?

I feel like purgatory is more like, I do feel like I look at a lot of the Catholics of my life, and many of them are no longer like practicing Catholics, but they all have that Catholic guilt.

Yeah, the Catholic guilt is so real.

They got that in, yeah.

All right, well, Colleen, why don’t you launch us?

So today, this is a multi-faceted conspiracy.

There’s different, there’s like eight big conspiracies about the Vatican.

I’m only doing three of them today.

This is not heavily religious in any way, this episode.

This is just about conspiracies regarding the Vatican Archives.

Okay, okay.

Well, this is very appropriate timing, given that we now have an American pope.

Yeah.

Our man, I think he’s mostly Peruvian, but.

I know, Colleen keeps telling me he’s Peruvian.

I’m like, but he did spend his first 20 years.

He was born in America, he’s a White Sox fan.

So you’re not from Massachusetts by that logic.

Well, I’m not saying he’s not from America.

I’m saying he’s mostly Peruvian.

Are you mostly DC or a DC?

Yes.

The majority of my life has been in Virginia now.

No.

I mean, seven years.

Kait, 18 years.

I’ve been driving in DC more than I’ve been driving in Massachusetts.

Kait, are you a North Carolinian or a Virginian?

I would still say I’m a North Carolinian.

It’s the same logic.

She was born and raised and molded in North Carolina.

For the past 11 years, she’s been here.

12.

But I was in North Carolina for longer.

Shelly told me she’s very excited.

If he spent all his career in America, he wouldn’t have gotten it.

That’s all I’m saying.

The reason he got it is because he has so much other experience.

Well, I was at lunch with Aunt Kathy, who’s a real fan of the show, and there was a waiter from Ghana, and that man was mad when it got announced.

Oh, because everybody wanted the Ghani.

Yeah, he was like, it’s all political, and he just wouldn’t let it go.

Anyways, let me get to my intro.

So in honor of the new pope, our man Leo, I have gone into full national treasure mode, a Da Vinci Code extravaganza, if you will, and dove deep into the secrets of the Vatican Archive, a room with 50 miles worth of shelving, documents upon documents of the entire history of the Catholic Church.

What secrets could we find?

What has been kept hush for thousands of years?

Today, we will be discussing only some of the major conspiracies regarding the Vatican, specifically the three secrets of Fatima, proof of extraterrestrial life, and time machines.

Oh, I love a time machine.

Is the church keeping us all in the dark?

Let’s find out.

So none of the three conspiracies that I picked are heavily religious.

They just happen to be, well, the first one kind of is, but they all are just more like mysteries of the church that they refuse to acknowledge.

Okay.

The first one is kind of famous.

I don’t know if you guys, have you heard of the three secrets of Fatima?

No.

Oh, okay.

You kind of sounded legit.

So this is a story about three young children, Lucia Santos and her cousins, Jacinta and Francisco Marto.

Okay.

Lucia Santos eventually became a nun, and all of what I’m going to read about this conspiracy is depicted from her memoir among other aspects.

So she became kind of a famous nun in Portugal.

Okay.

This is a story of the three children from Portugal who were visited by the Virgin Mary and had been seeing prophecies from the Virgin Mary over and over again.

But the more famous prophecy that they were presented to by the Virgin Mary, they had seen her on May 13th, 1917, and Mary had presented them with three secrets.

Oh.

And we’re going to break down each secret at a time and when we learned about them and what the church did in response to them.

Okay.

So in total, they claim to have been visited by the Virgin Mary six times between May and October, 1916, 1917, excuse me.

May 13th is when Mary entrusted them.

Okay.

Three secrets.

What’s interesting is that Lucia claims she had been seeing Mary in 1917, but she didn’t reveal these secrets until the 1940s.

I’m a little skeptical then.

Yeah.

I was too.

So that’s where it’s like, majority of this is questioning whether or not they’re actually seeing a prophecy.

I don’t want to say like miracles don’t happen and you’re like this never occurs because like half the Bible is basically this.

But the timing of it and what the secrets presented, a little suspicious.

Okay.

So the first two secrets were revealed in 1941 in a document written by Lucia.

I think it was a part of her memoir.

And then in 1943, she was asked to reveal the third secret, but she was hesitant because she felt, quote, not yet convinced that God had clearly authorized her to act.

So she didn’t want to reveal it because she wasn’t sure if God told her she could reveal that one.

Okay.

I think she was being a little picky and choosy between which ones.

So the first secret was a vision of hell depicting tortured souls in a sea of fire.

Okay.

And so a quote from her memoir is, Our lady showed us a great sea of fire, which seemed to be under the earth.

Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke.

And just kind of continues on talking about demons and hell in general.

Okay.

The second secret was a prediction of the end of World War I and a warning that another worse war would begin unless Russia converted to Catholicism and consecrated itself to the immaculate heart of Mary.

So this came out, you said she came out in the 1940s.

1941 was when World War I and II came out.

World War I was in the teens.

World War II was in the 30s, 40s, correct?

Correct.

So she’s kind of in the middle of all of this.

So when did she reveal the second secret?

Because you said they came out slowly.

So World War I and II came out together in the 1940s.

Okay, well, we’re in the, we’re in the, we’re two years into the war, though.

Think of it.

Yeah.

Also, I’m sorry, how, how convenient we need a whole country to convert to Catholicism.

Well, that’s the other aspect of it is.

So I didn’t, I don’t really know the history of Catholicism with Russia.

There was-

With Russian Orthodox or whatever that is.

Russia does have a branch of Catholicism, right?

Like the Russian Orthodox, like you said.

All I know is that was a big political plot point for the church.

Like they wanted to convert Russia.

And so a part of this is, is she claiming this prophecy to then make Russians believe that they should convert?

Yeah.

I mean, it kind of feels like, but you’re in the midst of a war.

It’s like praying on scared people at their worst.

And if you want all of this bloodshed to end.

Yeah.

And so the quote can drop out like the second.

But isn’t Russia, like Russia was part of the, it was like the Axis and the Allies.

And wasn’t Russia part of the Allies, which is part of the United States?

They were a part of the reason why Hitler couldn’t win Poland.

So the other plot point to this is that the Italian Church was with Mussolini, right?

Yeah.

No, the Allied, because that was when we were last, we were last friends with Russia, right?

During World War II.

So it was UK, Soviets, US, and China, and then Axis is Germany, Italy, and Japan.

And so Italy, the Vatican, right?

Is that where she’s?

Well, so she’s in Portugal, but she’s representing the Catholic Church in this vision.

She’s a Catholic nun.

Okay.

But she’s in Portugal.

So you’re thinking, what you’re saying is that she was like with the Mussolini Italian?

I’m not saying that.

Oh, okay, sorry.

I’m just assuming that the politics behind the church were messy at that time.

Oh, yeah, weren’t they still?

We have like fascism, we have Italy, we have Germany.

And how I’m interpreting this conspiracy is that it was a mess.

And she is seeing being visited by Mother Mary, trying to help guide people with her apparitions of Mary.

I’m not saying she was never not visited by Mary, but it just the timing of it is a little interesting.

Right.

Verbatim, the apparition says, this is Mary talking to Lucia.

To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my immaculate heart and the communion of reparation of the first Saturdays.

It changed the pattern of the church mass or something like that too.

So that’s what it’s like, what a random thing to be asked of.

I don’t know.

Also, Mary is like, she’s a saint, but she’s not God.

And it says like the holy.

And usually if there’s a vision, like in the Bible, if a vision is from, like is sent from God, it’s pointing them towards something God would want.

And I don’t think…

So God would want someone to worship one of his saints.

So if you’re reading the quote from her secret, like what she reveals, it’s like God is speaking through Mary, like God is using Mary as an image to send his communication.

Because she says, Mary told her that the good will be made martyred and the Holy Father will have much to suffer.

Various nations will be annihilated.

In the end, my immaculate heart will triumph.

The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and she shall be converted and a period of peace will be granted to the world.

So maybe she’s predicting like the Cold War, like if Russia doesn’t convert, like, I don’t know.

Maybe.

So the drama was actually nothing to do with one and two.

Or is it about, hold on, is it about the Ukraine-Russia war?

Oh.

Or I think if there’s one thing we know, there’s always gonna be another war.

Yeah.

So that was an argument against this.

So how convenient.

Then the other argument is, how do we know she’s talking about this war?

Yeah, right.

So then the third secret.

So this is where the conspiracy of the church is hiding something comes from.

So the third secret is not revealed until 2000.

So I will tell you what the third secret was first, and then I’ll explain why it was hidden.

Okay.

So the third secret was a vision of pope, bishops, priests, religious, and layman people being killed by soldiers.

Okay.

And so Lucia was being pressured in 1943 to reveal the final secret.

Okay.

She revealed the first two in 1941.

It’s 1943.

She is being pressured by her bishop to reveal the third secret.

Now, the Vatican doesn’t know about these secrets just yet.

It’s just between Lucia and her bishop and her like local church group.

Okay.

The bishop above her at the time was Father Leiria Jose Alves Correa de Silva.

And he was kind of abusing his authority to get Lucia to reveal the secret.

Okay.

So the way it works with this style of nun and priest is Carmelite obedience, which is what the nuns follow, requires that orders from superiors be regarded as if directly coming from God.

So this bishop is telling her to tell her secret, and she doesn’t want to tell it because she doesn’t think she has authority from God to share it with the public.

But the bishop is saying, I am God, essentially, so share it.

And so she, instead of like coming out publicly saying it, she writes it down on a letter, she seals the letter, and she requests it not be read until 1960, when she claims that she would have authority.

The authority from God would be more clear by then.

She’s like, don’t touch it, I’m down.

God told her that whatever Mary revealed to her 40 years ago can be shared as long as it’s 1960.

Yeah, that’s weird.

That doesn’t make any sense.

Doesn’t make any sense at all.

So, and then for some reason, it’s not actually publicly shared till 2000.

So that’s where it gets a little suspicious.

She claims she was visited by Mary again in 1944, and Mary said, quote, write that which they command you, not that which is given to you to understand of its meaning.

I don’t know.

I don’t want to be like anti-religion.

Right.

Because I don’t know.

But I do kind of feel like it sort of feels like saved, the movie where it’s like if they just like pray because they don’t know what to do.

And then I just feel like does something just like pop in their head, they’re like, oh, that was a vision.

That’s what I don’t know how to interpret these stories.

Yeah, like was she like, was she like, maybe she, again, she’s like, this happened, or she believes happened or whatever.

And someone is like, you have to tell you to tell you to tell, she’s like, how do I, I don’t know if I can.

And then, but then she has like a dream.

And suddenly, it all makes sense.

I also wonder if the bishop was trying to do, protect her in a way because she was getting pushback about the first two secrets.

Be like, you didn’t hear this in 1916 or 1917.

You’re just revealing this because the war is going on right now.

Right.

She was getting pushback.

So maybe he said like, at least write it down.

So then when we read it in the future, we have proof that you saw it before it happened.

That makes sense.

I mean, I will say SVU, but SVU always gives more credibility when there’s an outcry witness.

So like even if you don’t go to the cops, they’re like, you didn’t tell anybody?

And if you’re like, well, I did, I told my sister, then that’s like, okay, well, that’s credible.

Right.

So anyway.

Yeah, there were questions for credibility.

That’s what I was looking for.

So then The Secret was suppressed and kept confidential for many years until it was disclosed to the public in 2000 by Pope John Paul II.

And he interpreted it himself as a reference to his own assassination attempt that he survived on May 13th, 1981.

What was it?

Wasn’t that when he was like driving around his Pope Mobile?

No, no, no.

What was the-

Oh, the vision.

That it would be popes and bishops and religious laymen people being killed by soldiers.

Oh.

So like he was attempted to be killed.

Yeah.

So he interpreted it as a reference to his assassination attempt and also the persecution of Christians in the 20th century.

He interpreted the secret as like the secret’s becoming alive.

This was the secret and it’s already happened.

Okay.

The only thing that I’m finding really interesting is everything’s falling on the day of the 13th day of a month.

Isn’t that weird?

That was weird.

He sent the bullet that saved his life to Fatima, which, sorry, I should have explained this in the beginning.

That is a city in Portugal.

Okay.

Where it was placed on the crown of the statue of Our Lady of Fatima.

What’s the drama here?

The timing of the reveal of the first two secrets, obviously, we talked about this, made it seem like she could be basing it on current issues at the time.

It’s like, was she really seeing Mary, or was she just being inspired by everything around her?

Then there are many claims that what was actually read in 2000 was not truly the full secret, and that the church is still keeping it hidden.

This was represented by Antonio Sochi, who is an Italian journalist.

So apparently, the Vatican, when they read this in 2000, read off four sheets of paper.

Lucia only wrote it down on one.

The formatting of the secret was written in a letter-like format.

Lucia was writing this letter to the bishop.

That was not how it was formatted publicly.

And the Vatican was claiming to be reading directly from her sealed letter.

Oh, so they like, they definitely weren’t.

And then there were reports from the church leaders that the secret was kept on purpose to avoid religious prophecy from being mistaken as sensational or like for attention.

I don’t know, that’s the first conspiracy.

Was the secret of Virgin Mary real?

Are they still keeping it secret?

I can see people being like us, like, well, if we let this get out, then people aren’t gonna think it’s real.

Yeah.

But also, why 2000?

Like, why did they wait all the way till then?

When did John Paul II die?

I don’t know when he died, but he read it off in 2000.

Oh, he read it off in 2000.

Yeah.

John Paul, yeah, died in April 2005.

I have a Rosary beads, blessed by John Paul too.

Cool.

That’s a flex.

Who went to get him blessed for you?

My friend in high school.

So that was the first one.

I don’t know.

I think this one was…

It’s hard to say because…

I don’t want to question the Church, but I just feel like it was kind of…

They were using Poor Lucia as a way to…

Again, I just have a hard time with religious visions, because I’m not saying they’re not happening, but I just feel like there could be such a…

Like, do you have a dream?

And then you’re like, that was a vision?

Well, no, she is claiming that her and her cousins literally married, like, was in front of them.

Like, it was such a real vision, they were just walking around.

It was like when they get visited by an angel in the Bible.

Yeah.

But then also later on, she claims Mary visits her in her dreams.

Yeah.

So…

Sorry, and her cousins confirm this?

Were her cousins dead in 1940?

I don’t know if I have the data to say yes or no to that, but that is…

You can see the pictures of the three of them, though.

I don’t know how I feel, but I’m like Megan.

Like, I feel like you could easily…

I mean, you could have a religious vision, but also you could just interpret something else as a religious strength.

She is a nun, right?

So like, I would assume she has, like, a more fluid relationship with, like, sainthood and Mary, you know what I mean?

So I’m like, mm, okay, maybe.

But, okay, maybe it’s like, it’s like when we talk about, like, being open to the spirits, yes, they’re open to someone coming to visit them.

I don’t know.

It’s hard to unlike what you said, like, if it’s like things that are interpreted in the Bible, like, we know that they’re interpreted and then they come to me.

But then when they were happening, like that interpretation happens, like we don’t know what’s going to happen.

Also, this is like side plot is when they read off her final secret, they read it like in Italy and like almost all of Portugal was really angry about that.

They wanted it to be read off in Portugal, in Fatima or Fatima.

Oh.

Like because that is where Mary visited them.

That was the holy ground of all of the apparitions.

There’s a whole huge church base for the Virgin Mary there.

And I mean, if it happened, then I, but if it happened, I can also see why maybe shouldn’t want that last secret to be.

That’s a pretty dark, depressing secret.

Right.

Yeah.

She didn’t want to cause panic.

Yeah.

Right.

So and she was like, I don’t want anybody to be scared.

And God didn’t tell me I could read this.

Yeah.

So I don’t know.

All right.

What do you got next?

So the next one’s about aliens.

Okay.

Let’s let’s lighten it up.

Oh, yeah.

So does the Vatican contain extraterrestrial skulls, proof of alien encounters, lost technology, and proof of ancient civilizations influenced by extraterrestrials?

Immediately, yes.

This one is, I think yes, and I don’t even think the church knows it has it.

They have 50 miles worth of shelving, of documents and shelving and like-

50 miles?

That’s what it says.

Is, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

How big is the Vatican?

It’s a whole city.

It’s a city.

Right, but is it-

But it’s not a big city.

50 miles?

I don’t know.

But it’s like our intestines are not all start to finish.

Oh, it’s straight line.

I’m thinking a straight line of 50 miles.

No, I’m thinking, there’s probably many, many shelves.

I’m thinking, yeah, 53 miles of shelving.

But there’s no way they don’t know what’s on the shelves.

I think you have to think they’re going through it that often to know what they have.

I think whenever something, it’s probably like the Library of Congress, you think they’re just putting things there and they’re not documenting.

Have you not watched Da Vinci Code?

I think it’s like the Citadel in Game of Thrones, where they’ve dedicated librarians that take care of the text.

Well, I’ll tell you what.

I’m sorry.

The sources here are the Da Vinci Code.

That’s not my sources.

That’s my joke.

The Game of Thrones?

Game of Thrones.

Yeah.

These are not my sources.

I’ve given you my sources.

No Marvel.

There’s no Marvel though.

Sorry.

The theory is that are they containing these objects?

Yes, but then more specifically, are they hiding a certain secret that relates to US?

Okay.

So in 2023, a US intelligence official, David Grush, alleged that the Vatican was involved in an international cover-up of alien secrets.

Oh.

So he claimed Pope Pius XII was back-channeling info to the US about crashed UFOs recovered by the fascist dictator, Benito Mussolini.

In 1933, there was a case in which the US military was tipped off and took into possession of a USO object, and the church has evidence of this incident, plus centuries more worth of extraterrestrial encounters that they’re keeping secret.

You know what though?

I will say.

Go ahead.

I don’t buy this.

But I will say.

Then are you believing UFOs?

Feel like if we had UFO evidence, you know where a great place to store it?

The church.

Would be in the Vatican.

That’s what the researchers are saying.

Okay.

They’re saying, so I go into this, but why are they keeping a secret?

Some people think they’re keeping a secret because they fear the end of religion.

They fear it will ruin people’s faith and that this would go against like the doctrine of their religion.

Okay.

So there was a researcher from the University of North Carolina, Wilmington, claimed that the archives are full of reports about paranormal events.

Examples of nuns witnessing orbs, flying houses, and other aerial phenomena.

So they present the question as, are these miracles or are they UFO type occurrences?

Like these are things easily that could be misinterpreted.

So what a good way of hiding it.

Like, oh, that wasn’t UFO.

That was Virgin Mary coming down from above.

You know what I mean?

That’s like what they’re saying, which I think is like-

And then researchers from Stanford believe that the Vatican being one of the oldest library systems could very likely hold secrets to paranormal or supernatural knowledge that could assist with surviving climate change, energy crisis.

So they are like pressuring the Vatican, like, release your documents, release your documents to the public.

Because currently it is like very difficult to obtain documents and archive info from the Vatican.

Like, they have it locked up.

Only specific seniority priesthoods have access to it.

So they’re like, release it.

We know you have history documented in there that could be beneficial to the public, but they won’t.

Well, doesn’t the president also have information that would be beneficial to all of us?

But same thing.

He doesn’t share it?

But the church is older than the president, so I bet they got more.

Yeah, but they do have some good stuff.

Yeah, again, it’s like its own country.

It’s, yeah, secured by the church.

Yeah, like you’re saying, only people that we select can go in, and it’s only men.

Isn’t that crazy?

So that was the second opinion.

I think they definitely have things and mysteries documented.

I don’t know if I can just be like, they definitely have proof of aliens, probably not.

More examples of UFOs that we already have examples of?

Probably.

Yeah, but we also already, they already acknowledged, the US government already acknowledged that UFOs are real, and no one cared because we’re living at a dumpster fire right now.

Right.

Yeah.

We were like, yeah, we know.

Well, if our government is saying yes to it, how come they’re not?

Yeah, because like you said, they probably don’t.

Although, I guess I don’t know what the Catholic, because I know the Mormons.

Mormons, they’re based on an alien.

I thought the deal was that the Mormons were, that’s why they have to have multiple, well, not Mormons, like the fundamentalist Mormons.

Yeah.

The reason they have multiple wives is because you have to have at least three wives in order to get your own planet.

And then it’s all about like going to live on this planet when you die.

And I thought there was this alien belief, but not so much Catholicism, Kait.

No.

Aliens, do you guys even have an alien belief in Catholicism?

Not that I know of.

I mean, like, there’s purgatory.

You guys believe, do you guys believe?

Well, you must believe that we’re the only living, our planet’s only living planet, right?

If God created this planet.

I’m not a good Catholic.

Okay, Skepp, keep going.

Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that, like, if there was aliens who it has the most at, like, church to lose if that ever got out, which is an argument that is, that’s why they’re keeping it safe.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Okay.

This is all hearsay.

Oh, this is just hearsay.

This is just people just making things up.

I mean, you do kind of have me in the sense that, like, yeah, if there was proof we were hiding, like you’re saying, who would hide it and where would it be hidden?

The church.

So, OK, I’m undecided on this one, but I’m not totally disbelieving.

I think that you would not be surprised, but you’re not sure if you believe it.

There we go.

That’s like me with, like, almost every conspiracy.

When I do my introduction and I give you guys one sentence, you guys are both goked.

I’m in.

I got it.

I believe it.

I believe anything for the first 10 minutes.

The third mystery conspiracy of the Vatican is, are they hiding a time machine?

Okay.

So this is based on the alleged invention of Father Pellegrino Enretti.

He was a Benedictine monk, technically, which is a branch of it.

So Father Pellegrino, you know what I’m talking about?

Pellegrino, is that wine or cheese?

No, it’s a-

It’s a wine.

It’s a seltzer water.

Oh.

Is that wine or cheese?

Okay.

So Father Enretti, he was a Benedictine monk and a scientist who reportedly built a machine in the 1960s that could detect and decode residual or electromagnetic radiation left by passive vents that would then re-format the radiation to portray images.

He’s a monk and a scientist?

I do want to know where he got his scientist degree from.

Okay.

Do you have that information?

No.

So it was able to look back into the past like a time machine.

Right.

And portray visions or visuals of the Last Supper, the Crucification of Jesus Christ, and speeches of famous people in the past, such as like Mussolini, for example.

Any questions on that part?

No, I mean, it kind of sounds like a TV, except there’s probably no video.

I mean, we have video evidence of Mussolini, I’m sure.

But do we have video evidence of the First Supper?

I’m going to say no.

No, no, we don’t.

So a lot of what we know about Ornetti and the machine that is called the Chronovisor, which is what the name he gave the device, comes from his good friend, Francis Brun.

So Francis Brun and Father Ornetti had a very close relationship, and Francis Brun essentially became like Ornetti’s ally when people were questioning his machine’s ability.

Ornetti and Brun first became good friends regarding the Chronovisor, when they were on a trip together discussing the meaning of the Bible.

And Brun was going on and on and on about how it’s all up to, like, the reader’s interpretation and how you read and how you interpret the Bible to yourself.

But Ornetti questioned Brun and said, there’s no interpretation when you can go back in history and see the actual events.

There’s no interpretation when you can prove that it happened the way it happened.

Okay.

And Brun was like, how do you know that?

Well, Ornetti said he created this machine, the Chronovisor, that functioned like a television to stream history.

So Ornetti based his theory on a friend who had experienced hearing his late father’s voice on a record.

It was a record for music, but he could hear his father talking when he played the record.

Right.

That’s called auditory hallucination.

No, this is an example of electronic voice phenomenon.

So is this like when they go into the ghost houses?

Yes.

And they talk and they just record and then they’re like, when we listen back, we could hear people.

So this is specifically talking about, so what is an EVP, an electronic voice, a phenomenon?

It’s a paranormal occurrence when voices are detected on electronic recordings that were not present during the original process.

So you’re recording music, nothing else is going on other than music, and then you play it back and you hear somebody in the room with you that was not there beforehand.

So that’s what he based this theory on.

And then he developed a team of scientists.

He claimed he had 12 scientists working with him, but he only named two.

Okay.

The first one was Enrico Fermi, who is a physicist and Nobel Prize winner for, who had developed the Fermi Paradox, or the Fermi Paradox.

Have you heard of that?

No.

So it is the contradiction between the high probability of extraterrestrial life existing in the universe and the lack of evidence for such life, meaning like potential for life to arise on many planets in the silence we have observed.

So that was his winning conspiracy.

And also he was the creator of the world’s first nuclear reactor.

So that was one scientist.

The other scientist…

Did they allege that they worked with him on this?

No.

The other guy was Werner von Braun, who was a Nazi and a rocket scientist, who then became the NASA director.

I was going to say, did he come over with Operation Paperclip?

Yeah, probably.

So it’s like, would a Nazi want to be related to any more secret projects?

He was clearly not going to publicly claim he was part of this.

No.

So it makes me think, would anybody else publicly claim that?

The head of NASA was a Nazi?

It’s like all the hackers, they hack into a really secret database, and then they get found out, and they’re like, hey, we won’t charge you if you join us.

I feel like though a hacker is not quite the same as a, we talked about last week, Operation Paperclip, and I think it’s just not quite the same as scientists who is experimenting and killing human beings.

And then we are like, here’s your United States citizenship, and here is Plum Island, here is NASA, and just go for it.

I think that’s not quite the same as you’re a brilliant hacker, and come work for us.

I wish I was a brilliant, brilliant preach.

So, Arnetti is going out and about claiming he’s watched The Last Supper, he’s watched The Crucifixion of the Christ of Christ, and so far the Vatican has said nothing.

This is what I wrote, Vatican, silent or silenced?

Oh.

Are they purposely safeguarding this?

I don’t want to spoil, I want to hear what we have to say.

Has anyone else seen The Chronovisor?

No.

No?

So he has this TV, he can see all this history, but no one else has ever seen it.

Allegedly the team, but he’s only dropped two names, and they’re saying they weren’t part of the project.

Yeah.

So.

This guy’s a little cray cray.

So, eventually, if he’s a scientist, but we don’t know where he got his science degree from.

So, it becomes so.

Instead, he studied at the Catholic University of Milan, but I don’t see that he got like a degree.

Right.

Yeah.

He is like a well-known name, though, in the church, at least, from what I was interpreting.

But eventually, he’s starting to cause a ruckus with his claims, and eventually the Pope does make a statement.

It was Pope Pius XII, who ended up making a statement that the machine, or ended up ordering the machine to be destroyed.

He was concerned that it would create a dictatorship that could not be stopped if somebody had this machine operating.

And so the Pope told Ernetti to destroy it.

And he then, the Pope, then released a statement that if anybody else used a machine like this, they would be excommunicated.

Are they keeping it a secret to use themselves for influencing world events?

That’s the conspiracy.

Did they claim that Ernetti destroyed it, but they’re actually secretly still using it?

No, my money is on it never existed.

Ernetti was crazy.

And I don’t know why the Pope even bought into it.

This is what Ernetti would respond to you with.

Oh, tell me.

Oh, so you don’t think I actually have this machine?

No.

Then how was I able to do certain things?

Like what?

Ernetti used the device to complete the play, The Theistes, written by Quintus Annis.

Quintus Annis is known as the father of Roman poetry.

He had a play that has been popular in literature for never being actually written down.

Like people have written historically about going to see the play, but the script was never written down, okay?

Or the first hundred pages were written down, but it was never finished on paper, okay?

And so Ernetti used the chronoviser to go back into the past to observe the play being performed.

He then wrote down every line of it and then presented it in real time, claiming he had finished the transcript and presented that to the public.

He said, I have a time machine.

I went back, I watched this, this famous Roman play.

I finished it for you.

Here you go.

Well, there’s no one to fact check his ending, huh?

So he had written about 150 lines, claiming it was completed.

Experts then reviewed it and said, this makes no sense.

Yeah, I want to know about the, like, well, you talked about how you didn’t, you weren’t familiar with Ted Kaczynski and the Unabomber, but when they were, he was writing these manifestos and they brought in these, like, linguistic experts.

And they’re like, this is crazy.

No, I mean, that’s how they figure out who he was.

But like, so I want to know if they were linguistic experts who, like, analyzed and they’re like, this part is not the same as this part.

Yeah, no.

And they basically said, this is completely incredible or, like, not credible.

Like, this is completely wrong.

They said a play of this grandeur would be well over a thousand lines.

Ernetti wrote a hundred and fifty.

They critiqued his entire, he wrote it in Latin, because that’s what it would have been performed in.

The entire thing was written in clumsy Latin.

His Latin was subpar, huh?

He used words in the Latin language that didn’t even exist at the time of the play.

So completely rookie mistake.

Fact checked, completely wrong.

Okay, didn’t you take Latin?

I did.

How’s your Latin?

I mean, the first rule of Latin is that it’s not really a spoken language.

I know.

That’s why I wish I could have taken it.

I wouldn’t have had written language.

You’d have to stand up in front of your class and speak.

Yep.

So what you’re saying, you’re like, I don’t really remember it, but no one can put me on the spot.

Is that what you’re trying to say?

I’m trying to say is, I don’t have to speak it for you because it’s not a spoken language anymore.

All right.

Could you recognize some Latin if you were forced to?

Yeah.

I mean, couldn’t we all?

Semper fi, Megan.

I can’t.

Ernetti was then also able to print or present photos taken using the Chronovisor.

So this is one of them.

Hold on.

I don’t understand why can’t someone else watch the TV?

Yeah.

Why can’t we have one person come forward and say, I saw it.

Yeah.

This is Jesus Christ.

Right.

He looks sort of like a caveman.

I was going to say he looks sort of like Charles Manson.

Oh, I clicked on a creepy link.

Not to be confused with Marilyn Manson.

Yeah, not at all to be confused with Manson.

And then if you look at this picture, on the left is the image that Arnetti is claiming from the Chronovisor, and on the right is a real life statue that people think.

Oh, he took a picture of a statue.

He took a picture of and changed the exposure.

I don’t know.

The angle is a little different.

Yeah, the angle is different.

But his nose is a little different.

His eyebrows are a little bit…

So you think that’s actually Jesus Christ?

No.

No, I do not think it came from that statue.

So then there’s another example of this.

So then he claims that this is a picture of Jesus’ last day, and he’s just like walking around.

Jesus is in the middle.

Jesus is in the middle?

One of these guys is Jesus.

Oh, I would assume he’s on the right.

I would have guessed he’s on the right too.

So then, no, no, I know it’s the one in the middle because it’s based on a painting.

Oh, it’s, let me see if I can find the original painting.

So, he’s painting pictures of actual artwork and then claiming he got it from the chrono visor.

Did he have mental health issues?

Yeah, think what?

I was like, what the heck?

And so we come back, he’s passed, and people are now being like, Ernetti was wrong, like all of Ernetti’s things are wrong.

They fact-checked everything.

And Brun, his friend, Francois Brun, is like, no, I believe him.

He was so smart.

He was my good friend, and I have the blueprints for the machine.

And it was like all scribbles, like none of it made any sense.

Poor guy.

And then the family, Arnetti, claimed that on his deathbed, he eventually fessed up and said that he made everything up to get people interested in the church.

I was gonna just say, it’s not very Christian of him to just be lying to the whole world.

Yeah.

At least he confessed on his deathbed.

But then an argument-

Trying to go to heaven, you know?

Devil’s advocate for that, devil, sorry.

It would be, were these people actually his family, or were they just claiming to be his family?

I don’t know.

We haven’t fact-checked if these people who came forward were his family or not.

I didn’t.

Regardless, that was the third and final for today.

I don’t think there’s a time machine in the Vatican.

I don’t, yeah, I don’t know if I believe any of these.

Also, like, some of the-

Maybe the first one, but you have to, like-

Even that one, I don’t know.

You have to believe that, like-

I believe-

You have to believe that someone visited her in a vision.

I believe that Lucia had been inspired by her religion.

I believe Lucia believed she saw a miracle.

Do I think her secrets were actually accurate?

I don’t know.

I don’t think so.

Believe the church has secret historical things in the archives.

Do I think they have full-blown proof of aliens?

Maybe.

She’s like, actually, that one I do believe.

I believe that one.

And then, no, I don’t think there’s a time machine.

No, I don’t believe.

Well, obviously, there’s not a time machine.

He said he was faking it.

He said, psych.

But we don’t know who he said this to.

Yeah.

Allegedly the family.

Allegedly, he told his family it’s all fake.

But you don’t believe it was his family?

No.

His fake news.

Megan, what do you think?

Yeah.

I mean, I think I’ve said it.

I’m like the first one.

I’m kind of with you on like, I just need more information.

So I want to know if her cousins corroborated the story.

Did she again, she was feeling the religion.

She was open to it.

Did she see something in her mind?

This was a vision.

Maybe.

I don’t know.

Right.

I’ve already said, now that you’ve mentioned this, if I was ever going to hide some UFO and stuff, the Vatican is a great place.

And they do have a motive to not want people to know about aliens.

And yeah, this time machine.

I mean, you, I feel like when Colleen debunks it, it’s like, you know, it’s really, really, you know, it’s right now.

I’m like, oh.

Here are some upcoming conspiracies about the Vatican that we can also learn about.

The one that we’ll definitely end up doing, either myself or, I don’t know, is, Well, I was like, she was like, this will be multiple parts and I didn’t say this, but I was thinking to myself, like, it’s kind of like the one you want to do Secret Societies and then you just lose interest before you finish your series.

So this one is originally all about the Illuminati.

So the other conspiracies about the Vatican are pretty much the entire plot line of the Da Vinci Code.

Yeah.

It’s all about Jesus and how he was married and had children.

And so there is a Jesus Christ bloodline, allegedly.

The conspiracy that the Vatican is run by the Illuminati.

You could maybe get me on that.

And then there’s the conspiracy that the church is hiding that Jesus Christ was not a real man.

Or not a real man, but wasn’t.

Well, then what is the whole point?

What is the point of all of this people?

Of like Christianity if there’s no Jesus.

Right.

That’s why they’re keeping it secret.

Yeah, but then why would all those people and all his disciples die?

Being like, this man was the Messiah.

Conspiracies.

And they were all tortured.

That the Vatican is hiding proof that Jesus Christ did not exist.

No.

It’s what’s conspiracy.

Kait, what do you think about today’s conspiracies?

I thought I said, I could possibly believe number one, but you have to believe that there’s like a…

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I could possibly.

I don’t want to, the thing is, is like I don’t want to diminish the religious experience of someone else.

Yeah, that’s kind of where I’m at.

So it’s not that I don’t necessarily, but like if somebody came, if I was in the hospital and somebody was like, I’m having these visions, I’d be like, my guy, we are not.

You are not.

So again, I feel like I’m not open to that.

I feel like it’s sort of like when you talk about, I mean, again, you’re the most religious one here, right?

And when you talk about like, how every time you read the Bible, you interpret it differently and you have a different experience.

Yeah.

I feel like that’s kind of the same of just about like these religious people that yes, again, I’m sure that they are getting messages.

Are they really getting messages or they just, you know, interpretation of things in there?

I don’t know.

I mean, you have these people who have like Jesus on a piece of toast and they’re like, it’s a message.

Right.

That’s true.

People do.

Yeah.

So I don’t want to diminish that experience.

Also, if you devote your entire life to the church, if you, you know, take your vows, you deserve a vision.

That’s true.

Yeah, you do deserve Mary coming to see you.

The second one, I am fully in the court of, I don’t know if there is like hidden extraterrestrial stuff on the Vatican, but if it was to come out, I would not be surprised.

Right.

So I don’t, but the theory that you presented offered zero evidence.

So I can’t say yes.

The evidence is that there are 53 miles of shelves, so what couldn’t be there?

Well, there’s like not a lot of like proof proof.

Well, that’s why they’re all-

UFOs, you know what I mean?

That’s why like aliens-

We have proof proof of UFOs, but no one really cares.

They have biologics.

We have witnesses, assumed witnesses.

We have biologics.

Oh, of the government, yeah.

We have USO.

Yeah.

Allegedly.

USOs, yeah.

Yeah.

And then the last one, obviously, I don’t believe that.

Cause also he said it wasn’t true.

But I wasn’t, to be clear, I was not on board.

You were not buying it up?

No, cause I was like, why can’t no one else watch this TV?

Whenever they start bringing up like electromagnetic like radiation, visor, bussing, you’re making it up.

There’s no, same thing with, I barely believe that microwaves work.

Like how does that work?

By microwaves.

Yeah, see?

Microwave the spectrum of waves.

Right.

You didn’t have to take physics, you just have to trust that the wind is there.

You know what I mean?

I mean, wind is there.

You don’t see it.

You feel it.

You just have to go off your senses.

Oh my gosh, this really is coming full circle for, what was the Nicholas Sparks movie with, The National Spencer?

Oh, A Walk to Remember.

This is coming full circle to A Walk to Remember when she said, my faith is like the wind.

Yeah.

I feel it.

But you don’t see it.

But I don’t see it and I know it’s there.

So that was a real full circle.

Yeah, there you go.

There you go.

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Kait, what should the people do?

So what I want you guys to do right now is I want you to take out your phone.

I want you to text three people that has an interest in Catholicism, aliens, or time travel.

Or anyone who is excited about the American Pope slash Peruvian Pope.

Yeah, big win for Peru.

Is he a Peruvian citizen?

Yes, he has dual citizenship.

Okay.

But his brother’s still living in Chicago.

Yeah.

He’s still a White Sox fan.

They like those glizzies.

Oh my God.

You guys know what glizzies are?

It’s a hot dog.

Yeah.

I can’t.

Megan, I can’t believe you all know what a glizzy is.

No, but I do know that we got, and everyone was hyping up the hot dogs in Iceland.

Apparently, it’s only a big deal because someone handed one to Bill Clinton when he was there and he ate it.

And they were like, oh, world famous.

But someone just handed it to him.

He’s probably hungry.

So we got the airplane.

We went to three different hot dog joints together and I was so hungry.

I was like, I’m dying.

And then I became nauseated because I was so hungry.

Yeah.

And you ate a hot dog?

No.

The worst thing.

So they handed me the hot dog and I was like, I can’t eat that.

Yeah, I would vomit.

I’m about to vomit.

So I didn’t even try it, but they said it was a very mediocre hot dog.

Dang.

Well, that was interesting.

Thank you, Colleen.

That was very appropriate for the time right now.

Yeah.

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