What’s going on?
Oh, you know, just hanging.
I went out to the country last weekend.
The country.
And by country, I mean Frederick.
So really more of like the deep burbs, right?
There was an acre of land that felt like the country to me.
So we came back, it was my friend Andrew’s 40th birthday.
So we went to the birthday party and Rachel and I came home with the three kids and he was out with them, with the boys.
And I opened the front door to let Tanner out into this massive yard and a bird flew in.
And then as I was trying to handle the bird, like five seconds pass and another bird flies in.
What are the chances?
So now there’s two birds flying around this huge house.
Don’t worry, guys, I took care of things.
I quartered both of them into one of the kids’ bedrooms and eventually got them out the window.
Although one of them had nested in a bunch of the little girls’ dresses.
And Rachel was like, I don’t even care, just throw the dresses out the window.
And then Andrew sent a picture yesterday from outside where I guess they were in the backyard.
And there’s a dress hanging off the side of the house, like it got caught on a vent.
But I tell this story because after it happened, I text Kait and Colleen like, oh my gosh, it was just me versus like the birds.
And what was Colleen’s first thought?
Don’t trust the birds.
They’re government cameras.
Yeah, she’s like, that was the government spying on you, Megan.
They know you have a podcast, Megan.
Yeah, watch out for you.
And they were just lurking.
Also, but birds in houses are so funny to me.
It wasn’t quite so funny.
I just kept being like, this bird cannot poop in these kids’ rooms.
And then it also has a lot of bacteria in it.
It’s like cat scratches.
And then at one point, I was about two seconds away from being like, this just sounds like a man problem to be like, maybe we just lock the birds in this bedroom and she doesn’t sleep in her bedroom tonight, and a man can deal with this tomorrow, but.
My sister has a bird and she just lets it fly around her room.
Oh.
Before seven.
Well, I have a friend.
Has it land on her head?
It has, she has things dangling.
She’s a little bit like me.
We’re like a maximalist with the cork, and she has things dangling from the ceiling.
And the bird just like flies to the things dangling, flies to her cage and like repeat.
What kind of bird is it?
A parakeet?
Oh.
One of those like cute little ones, but I don’t trust that bird.
I don’t like it.
My friend Steph has a bird and they have like a harness for the bird.
And she might be listening.
Hey, Steph, if you’re listening.
But they sometimes put the bird in like, it has like a plastic cage and they’ll like take it to the park and stuff.
I don’t, I particularly.
You don’t trust the chickens?
I particularly don’t trust the chickens, yeah.
That I just.
I thought you were over the chicken thing.
Well, I do want the girls, you know.
Yeah.
The ladies.
Yeah, the ladies.
Mabel.
Yeah, I also have like this dream of having a lot of land and like being a sanctuary for the old dogs at the shelter.
That people just drop off.
Well, my brother and his fiance, they have made the decision to only like adopt elderly dogs.
Like right now they have Tony, who is a spry 19-year-old Irish Jack Russell.
Yeah, spry.
So, I do love that, but I don’t think emotionally I could handle just constant elderly animals dying all the time.
But just think about the like beautiful life that you could give them at the end.
It’s like a doggy hospice.
When I go pick Tanner up at doggy daycare, and it’s like all outdoors, and usually he’s like hanging in the office.
But shout out to Dogma Daycare, by the way.
Yeah, Dogma.
Dogma.
They used to be right next to my house, and it was super convenient.
I’ve since moved, but I still will venture into the city just to take him there because they’re so good to him.
But the point is that even when I walk up and all the dogs are out playing, having fun, and they’re barking, I’m like, Tanner barking is enough.
Now we’ve got like 20 dogs barking at the same time.
And that’s what I’m picturing with your sanctuary.
If you just have like 20 dogs running around, it’s gonna be like annoying.
But if they’re outside and they have their-
These dogs are all outside.
But if they have their own little cabin where they have-
Just picture it.
How cute a little like barn full of dogs with their own beds in it.
I’m picturing the smell of them.
Oh, okay.
Our dog Yanni came from a barn, like came from like a farm.
Yeah.
And he smelled so bad.
You guys, you realists.
Okay, so today we have a shout out to Tanisha.
Tanisha, she bought us some coffee.
Kait, aren’t you, don’t you like invest in her husband’s small business?
Oh yeah, that’s where I am going to buy some coffee with that.
What’s the business?
What’s the business?
So her husband is part of a company named Black Coffee.
It’s in Atlanta, and they have a storefront in Atlanta, and they opened in 2020 in the storefront, and it’s just continued to sort of like skyrocket.
Yeah, so I am an investor in their company.
Their coffee is really good.
You can go online.
Can you order it?
Yeah, you can order it online.
They sell it by the pound.
We’ll share their profile and ways you can support them, because they do make some good coffee.
She also wants to know, do you plan to discuss the implosion of the submersible visiting Titanic Ruins or Tupac Shakur?
I think those are two unrelated conspiracies.
Yeah.
Also, is there any truth to conspiracies around Hurricane Katrina and the levees?
What about crack being intentionally planted in communities?
Interesting.
That’s a dark topic.
Yeah.
Look forward to hearing from you and listening to the pod.
So thanks, Tanisha.
Thanks for listening.
Adding them to the list.
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On the list.
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I think we got like some pop culture episodes coming up.
We just kind of did one a little bit with like Taylor Swift.
I won’t bring up her again.
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Had enough of her.
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Is it time, guys?
Is it?
Yeah, drink check.
Ah.
Today, I’m drinking, what is this called?
This is Four Sigmatic Boost Organic Cacao Mix.
Colleen and I are both drinking it.
It’s for mental clarity and energy.
It tastes the way.
Colleen doesn’t like the.
Does it sound like a hippie drink?
It is a hippie drink.
Or does it taste like a hippie drink?
If a drink was like 98% cacao to 1% dirt.
I was gonna say, does it taste like dirt?
And 1% water.
I disagree.
It’s not bad.
It just needs a significantly more flavor.
It doesn’t have a.
It doesn’t have a.
It’s got ginger in it, so I think that the ginger really comes through.
Yeah, I like it.
But I will say the first time I drank it, it was like kombucha.
Like the first time you drink kombucha, you’re like, hold on.
Wait, this is vinegar.
And then you’re like, wait a second.
I love kombucha.
As we’re talking, I’m on like my 10th sip, and I’m like, it’s not that bad.
Yeah, it’s good.
Kait and I are drinking some Chardonnay from Old House Vineyards.
Shout out Old House.
Yeah, local winery, like in the Culpepper area.
So check it out.
Pretty good, yeah.
Do you guys ever drink a drink and just like become way too aware of time passing?
I mean, I would like to say not while drinking a drink, because actually when I’m drinking a drink, you know, time passes.
Time is flying.
Yeah, time is flying.
I have no idea what it is.
Yeah, no.
You ever think about time too much?
Sometimes I just think about, yeah, where has the time gone?
Did we just like fast forward 100 years, like what’s going on?
Yeah, what if I told you that about 300 years on our timeline didn’t actually happen?
I would be very skeptical.
Wait a second.
300 years?
Yeah.
Like, not that the time didn’t pass, but that like they changed the year.
Like they just fast forwarded the calendar.
Yeah.
What if I told you that?
Oh.
She’s like, she’s just stunned right now.
I want to hear about it.
Yep.
So this theory, before we get into the deep and dirty of it, has a lot of historical references.
So this is going to be a conspiracy theory and also kind of a history lesson.
Oh.
Because it deals with a lot of like historical figures and that were very relevant.
Well, we are all trying to learn more history.
So I hope you teach us something.
I hope I’m correct, too.
Don’t worry.
If you’re not correct, we’ll only get like 50 text messages and emails about it.
So today we’re going to be talking about the Phantom Time Theory.
So does anybody know much about the Middle Ages?
I mean, like what we learned in school, we had like middle, it was like Middle Age Day, and we wore dresses.
Anyone a big history fan here?
Middle Ages?
The Middle Ages.
Like, when I think of the Middle Ages, I think of like the Renaissance era and like the plague.
Yeah, yeah.
So Middle Ages and Dark Ages.
When I did the Valentine’s Day, the Valentine’s Day football episode, there was a lot of reference to the Middle Ages, and I am not too proud to say.
I actually Googled like, what year was actually the Middle Ages?
Like what era?
It was a really long era.
I wrote, correct me if I’m wrong, I wrote 500 to 1500.
It’s just about that, but I’m only talking about a chunk of time during the entire era.
Also, could you imagine living in the year 500?
All I can think of is just how smelly we were.
I always think that too.
People didn’t bathe or have deodorant.
They probably don’t have teeth.
They probably just hurt and they yank them out.
And the wooden teeth that they had?
So what if I told you a huge chunk of the Middle Ages?
I’m talking a couple of hundred years never actually existed, that they crossed out the year and added 300 or so years just to speed things up.
Wait.
They just wanted to get through time?
Yep.
So speed it up.
So this conspiracy is claiming that the year 614 to 911 AD have been forged in the timeline that we know today.
Even more that this was done at the hands of European leaders, the Pope and emperors, who all strive to lead at the change of the millennium.
So these leaders wanted to be part of a new millennium to become even more popular in order for their beliefs to have a stronger hold on the public.
Why is there so little physical evidence of this chunk of time during the Middle Ages?
What about the architecture styles used allegedly hundreds of years before and the style itself was before the style itself was even created?
Can we actually trust the historical dating systems based on trees and radioactivity?
Let’s discuss.
What do you think?
I do have my doubts about carbon dating.
I will say that.
Megan’s giving me the look.
No, I’m just…
I don’t know who the leaders were in year 1000 AD.
So I…
Well, so I would say it didn’t really work, right?
And is this like the entire world was in on this?
So we get into that.
Okay, let’s hear it.
Let’s hear it.
Right out of the bat when I wrote this and researched this, let’s just say I truly was in a state of mind where I believed this thoroughly, okay?
I was writing this conspiracy up.
My fingers were flying across the keyboard.
I was 100% into it.
The next day, I woke up and read my notes and was like, oh, I don’t believe this.
So this is gonna be another one of those conspiracies where I talk a lot and try to make you believe, but I personally probably don’t believe this.
Well, you give us all the facts and we’ll decide.
All right, so there’s a lot of different historians that this theory has involved, and it’s kind of been reintroduced a couple of different times, so I’m only gonna talk about the bigger historians.
So it was first introduced by this gentleman named Henry Illig, which I was a little confused with if Henry and this guy named Dr.
Neimitz were the same person or not.
I think it’s the same person, and he just made his name easier for us to follow because he’s German.
Is it Neimitz?
Neimitz.
Neimitz.
Neimitz.
That name sounds so familiar.
He’s kind of like a quite famous historian in Germany.
So, and he first wrote up an essay in the 1990s where he explained how he believed the Holy Roman Emperor Otto III, Pope Sylvester II, and possibly the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII fabricated the Anno Domini dating system retroactively in order to place them at the special year of 1000 AD in order to rewrite history, to then legitimize Otto’s claim to the Holy Roman Empire.
So these are a lot of famous historical figures that are completely irrelevant to our time, but are pretty relevant to the start of the Catholic Church or how the European governments functioned and how it kind of plays into today.
So Henry believed it was completed through alteration, misrepresentation, forgery of documents, and physical evidence.
So he believed that Otto wanted to reign in this year 1000 AD because it best suited his understanding of Christian millennialism.
He wanted to kind of enter the new millennial as the leader so that people would kind of respect him more or want to create a stronger following, right?
Because it shows that he was God’s chosen leader for the millennium.
So to your question, he was like a Roman leader?
Part of the Roman Empire?
The Holy Roman Emperor.
Okay.
So, allegedly, the entire Carolingian period is just, like, they take the name of the leader during the period and just title that era, like, that couple years.
So that’s why it’s named that.
This period of time, the Carolingian period, included the figure Charlemagne.
Henry’s theory is alleging that the entire Carolingian period, including the figure of Charlemagne, is made up with phantom time of 297 years.
What?
Is it Charlemagne, like, a famous person?
Yeah, he is.
They’re saying Charlemagne didn’t exist.
Charlemagne was the king of the Franks, is what it’s voted for.
He’s famous for political and societal changes that he introduced that had a huge impact on the Middle Ages.
But Henry’s theory is believing that Charlemagne didn’t exist, that they made up his character, made up his figure just to fill time.
He’s a character in, like, a fictionalized era.
Era.
Wild.
Yeah.
Okay.
He’s also known as Carl or Charles the Great.
Isn’t that funny?
Carl.
Carl.
Okay.
I’m still just trying to understand.
It doesn’t seem that, like, that much incentive just to be, like, at the change of the century.
Think about it.
The Middle Ages was, like, dark times.
What did they have to look for other than what their leaders told them to look for?
You know what I mean?
And were they just thinking that, like, all the plebes, the peons, the people were just gonna, like, jump on board with this and everyone was just gonna pretend the year was a different year?
Well, they didn’t have a good tracking system, so most people couldn’t even read, right?
So there’s not a lot of…
So all it takes is one guy being like, I think, let’s just fast forward 300 years, and no one even knows anything has changed.
Wait, I want to go back to Charlemagne.
It says that he was the first Holy Roman Emperor.
So they wanted to erase him.
Like, the theory is…
He never existed.
He never created him.
Charlemagne, as far as we know, existed.
But she’s claiming he’s a fake person.
Yeah, right, right, right, right.
But what’s the motivation?
So they needed a figure to fill that time.
It’s phantom time.
So they’re saying those years didn’t happen.
They just, like, fudged the history books?
Fudged the history books so that Otto could be at 1000 AD.
So they needed somebody to make up those years.
And so they’re using Charlemagne as a figure to make up those years.
So Charlemagne is only a figure in, like, the books.
He did not exist in real life.
I’m reading some facts about his life right now.
Did he live an interesting life?
Kind of, yeah.
He’s a huge figure in the Middle Ages.
Right, yeah.
He wasn’t supposed to be king.
His father wasn’t born a king, and then his brother died, and then he became king.
Like, it’s kind of like…
This story, he’s considered, like, the father of Europe.
But is he fake?
It was, like, a surprise for him to be crowned the emperor of Rome.
I mean, it does sound like it was a bit of a surprise.
He wasn’t even real.
Right.
Allegedly.
Allegedly.
He’s part of the whole phantom theory.
He’s just the character you used to fill the hole.
Right.
I’m just in my head, I’m thinking, if they made him up, then they would want him to have accomplished all these things because he was supposed to, like, a character, right?
So what kind of led to this conspiracy has to do with a lot of how historians were researching, like, the history of the church and the history of time.
So they were trying to interpret all these documents that, like, were in English or were extremely old and hard to decipher.
So Henry’s theory all starts with, like, the translation of these documents and how they were translated, which kind of, in his mind, was, like, suspiciously translated.
So beginning in the year 835 AD, monks were rewriting a piece or piece by piece all the texts that had been written in Greek.
And then the theory is that all these pieces were rewritten and then the originals were then destroyed.
So that means for today’s modern day, all existing texts of the then leading culture and the then leading nations, i.e.
like the Roman Empire, could have all been changed or rewritten completely in a new script.
Because how can we trust the translations of these monks?
Well, OK, I just feel like, are they the most likely to lie?
I feel like there’s a least likely to lie.
Well, I mean, if you say that, like, the early church wasn’t corrupt.
But you could also maybe feel like they truly believe that Otto should have been the leader at the change of the Millennials.
So they were…
They just got on board.
Yeah, you know.
So, yeah, so they’re claiming, we don’t have any origin.
And where did their, like, funding come from, you know?
Yeah.
You know?
So that’s kind of…
Nazi gold?
Nazi gold.
My mom always says, follow the money, Kait.
Where is it coming from?
Nazi gold.
Yeah.
I’m gonna get more in-depth, but that’s just like an overview picture of the theory.
Let me tell you more about this Henry man himself, because he just sounds kind of like a little lunatic.
So he…
Delulu?
He is a historian.
He is famous, but he’s famous because he’s Delulu.
Oh, okay.
Like, he has been, like, outcasted in the, like, famous historical population because he’s just…
His theories are out there, and this is one of them, right?
Maybe Ed Zephylus.
He is from Germany.
His hometown name, a little too difficult for me to pronounce.
So he’s just German.
Is he actually German?
Because I will say in the Denver episode, our fluent Spanish speaker with a minor in Spanish…
What couldn’t I pronounce?
You said…
I don’t even know.
Jimenez or Jimenez or whatever.
The Lucifer…
Oh, Imenez or something.
J-I-M-I-N-E-Z.
And I looked at that, and I was like, that is a Spanish name.
I think I thought he was Italian.
And you said, I’m sorry, guys.
He’s either French or Italian.
And then I promptly got on Wikipedia, and it was like, he’s from Mexico.
He’s very clearly Hispanic.
But I didn’t want to say anything, because I was like, this girl knows her Spanish.
I don’t know a lot about the language.
I don’t know a lot about the culture and names of people.
But this guy is allegedly, where is this guy from allegedly?
German.
Germany.
Okay, according to Colleen, he’s German.
So he could be French, could be Irish.
Pretty sure he’s German.
But we’re going to assume he’s German.
So Henry was a really big fan of another famous historian called Emmanuel Velikovsky.
He was Russian, allegedly.
Probably Russian.
Velikovsky sounds Russian.
So this man, Emmanuel, wrote many books about pseudo-historical interpretation of history.
So this is just…
What this means is that he believed in alternative interpretations of history.
He argues what we mainstream believe happen.
He argues against what the mainstream belief is for history.
And he also believed in something that’s called Catastrophism, which is like a theory.
When people are philosophers, you can believe in surrealism, you can believe in other different types of isms.
This is one of them.
So he believed that the Earth suffered from catastrophic close contact with other planets, and then he proposed that many theories…
Does it all go back to the aliens?
Yeah, it does.
So he proposed that theories surrounding like ancient Greece, Egypt, and Middle Ages had all been revised by the people translating documents.
So like Henry pretty much like, this guy’s correct, I believe him as well, and just kind of re-emphasize Emmanuel’s theories.
Emmanuel and Henry are some of the last famous traditional catastrophicists, because they’ve all been shot down by modern historians, like completely shut down, like nobody truly believes them, not Philip, but X-Nade out of the academia world.
But what is catastrophicism?
Because I low key believe in this.
It’s the theory that Earth has been largely shaped by sudden short-lived violent events, possibly in a worldwide scope.
So this is kind of like the dinosaurs, and it’s like the Big Bang Theory.
What happens is that every so many chunks of time, something huge happens that clears it all out, and we restart.
That’s the theory.
So like the dinosaurs, they all died, and then we restarted.
It also plays into one of the biblical stories, Noah’s Ark, and how this huge catastrophic flood clears the world, and then we all restart.
And what is historical revisionism?
Just a little bit more.
It’s essentially just questioning the mainstream of what historians believe, introducing new interpretations or phenomenon.
So Henry and this Russian gentleman, Emmanuel, are catastrophicists and historical revisionists.
Okay, I sort of like this.
What you’re saying, you’re like, I don’t know, I kind of believe this.
I don’t know if I believe it, but I do think that we are too quick to shut down other people’s opinions.
You know what I mean?
As far as if there’s only one thing that we believe and that has to be true, I think it’s okay to question.
Yeah, and ask questions.
I think too, the thing about conspiracy theories that I’m discovering, because again, these girls really brought me into the conspiracy theory world.
But when you talk to people and they’re like, oh no, I don’t believe in any conspiracy theories.
And that kind of blows my mind because I think it’s healthy.
I mean, it’s not healthy to just believe every conspiracy theory.
I do think you should have a healthy dose of skepticism.
You should question things.
You should do your own research.
And then wherever you land, you land, and that’s fine.
But to just like across the board, shut down the idea that anything is different from the accepted history.
It’s a little narrow minded.
And also, how are we supposed to discover new things if we don’t question things?
You know what I mean?
Henry is so…
I’m talking about his theory around the Middle Ages, but he’s also pretty famous for having crazy theories about ancient Greece and Egypt.
And he wrote a book called The Invented Middle Ages, which presents all of these alternative ideas in one storyline.
And we can put that book on our Amazon affiliated list.
We’ll do.
And he’s famous for being delusional.
So he has a questioning attitude, but it’s maybe too questionable.
Henry has different points proving or attempting to prove his phantom time theory.
One of them goes into the dating methods of this era.
So he starts to question dating methods that were used to date back, as far back as like the Middle Ages.
So he questions radiometry and dendrochronology.
Okay, so radiometry uses electromagnetic radiation to like try to age or guesstimate the ages of it.
So some argue you can physically use radio waves to figure out how old an object is, but what you can’t figure out is like what year the people existed then believed it to be, right?
So you can actually age something physically, but how can you tell the people then believed the year it was?
You know what I mean?
See how you can start believing the theory?
So I’m holding a water bottle.
I can tell you based on radiometry, this water bottle is 100 years old.
But can I prove that 100 years ago, people believed it to be 1924?
You know what I mean?
Like I can tell that this water bottle is 100 years old, but I don’t know what people 100 years ago thought what year it was.
So you’re pretty much just saying these people who thought it was a 300 year difference.
Yeah.
They wouldn’t know.
Understood.
And so dendrochronology is a technique of dating using events and environmental changes, and it uses wood.
So it uses the patterns of the growing rings on tree trunks to help determine historical events in the age, aging.
People then argue that there are so few samples of wood that old.
Like, how many trees existed in the Middle Ages?
So there’s just not enough evidence.
Wait, like trees existing now also existing in the Middle Ages?
Yes, like there’s not enough old, not enough wood that’s old enough to use this.
Like a historical dating system is what Henry’s arguing.
Oh, did you know that the oldest tree in existence is over 5000 years old?
So where is that?
A tree.
It’s in Atlanta.
What?
But it says the reason that the bristlecone has lived to be 5000 years is because it lives in really harsh conditions.
So the harsh conditions have made it stronger.
Yeah.
What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
Darwinism.
Yeah.
Henry is specifically talking about the years 1614 to 911 AD and how there is very little evidence documenting the plot of what happened during those years.
So he questions the translations.
He questions the physical aging systems.
Okay.
He went hunting for empty holes when the math didn’t work out in the translation of the calendar specifically.
So I like that.
Good for him for.
Yeah.
He had a little minty bee.
I went to Lulu and I started looking for plot holes.
We have talked about so many men T.B.s.
It’s giving unwell.
So there are specific events that have been translated that have made Henry suspicious.
So the building of Constantinople in 558 AD to 908 AD and the gap in the doctrine of faith, specifically the gap in the evolutionary, the evolution theory and the meaning of purgatory.
So these are big events in like religion at the time.
And during this era, religion was your leader, right?
So this was very impactful.
So what’s the gap in the evolution?
And he also questions medieval historians and how they relied too much on just written evidence.
So first, he says, there’s not enough fiscal evidence.
And then he says, you rely too much on written evidence.
So what then do you have left?
I question to Henry, but yeah, Henry.
And he questions the presence of Roman architecture in the 10th century Western Europe, because it hints at the fact that the Roman era was not as long ago as we thought.
You know what I mean?
So we have this physically existing architecture that shouldn’t have existed when it did.
So it makes you think that maybe the timing of it all was a little off.
Maybe.
So he talks about this thing called the Gregorian calendar.
So we, I was really confused because I just don’t know much about history.
Shocker to our listeners, none of us know much about history.
There are two calendars that we, like we switched over from one calendar to the other, right?
So we have the Gregorian calendar and the Julian calendar.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But historians had to translate the timeline so then it could make sense in the Julian calendar.
This was where Henry found the biggest holes.
Oh, you know what?
I could believe that.
I don’t know if we’ve lost 300 years.
Yeah.
But like a couple days.
That’s fair.
So the Gregorian calendar in 1582 should have had a discrepancy of 13 days between the Julian calendar and the real one.
I can see that.
So when it gets down to math and astronomy, because how did they document events by looking at the sky and looking at the star patterns at the time?
So when astronomers and mathematicians were working with Pope Gregory, they found that the real calendar only needed to be adjusted by 10 days.
From this, Henry concluded that the AD era had counted roughly three centuries of time, which never existed.
So that math doesn’t make sense when you read it like that.
So three days in one calendar equals to 300 years in another calendar, just because we go from like 900s to 1500s.
Does that make sense?
No, I don’t understand how a discrepancy of 10 days somehow convinces people that there’s 300 years.
So we have the Gregorian calendar, and we have the Julian Carrot calendar.
The numbers are supposed to correlate, but the ratio is different.
So a day on one is equivalent to so many on another, right?
So when they were translating between the two, the math showed that there should have been this amount of discrepancy, but there actually was founded to be this.
So Henry said that there should have been a discrepancy of 13 days, but they found out it was only like 10 days.
So because of how the translation between the numbers works, Henry then concluded that there was three centuries of time that was skipped.
And so the Gregorian calendar, which is what we commonly use, there’s also the Julian calendar that is used for different purposes in life, it was meant to fix that 10-day discrepancy caused by the fact that the Julian year was 10.8 minutes too long.
So we have two different calendars.
We have the Gregorian calendar.
So Gregorian calendar is like the calendar we have on our wall that’s like, it’s January, it’s February.
And it includes leap year.
Okay.
Leap days.
And then the Julian calendar, which does get used in certain instances, that’s just like the day of the year, like it is the 231st day of the year.
But it doesn’t include like how one year is actually 365 point something.
Yeah, I’m tracking, I’m tracking.
Does that make more sense?
Yes.
In the 1500s, they discovered that the year is actually more than 365 days.
The year is 365 point something.
They had to create leap day.
They had to create leap year to make up for that time.
Right.
And when they’re doing the math to associate or to include leap day, they realized that the calendar that they were then using has too much of a time gap.
Like they did the math, and they’re like, it should have been 13, but we’re only coming up with 10.
Okay.
And then they’re like, why are we only coming up with 10?
It doesn’t make any sense.
And Henry is trying to make sense of that.
Okay.
And he looks back into the history, and it’s like, oh, it happened in the Middle Ages because they purposely changed the year.
They purposely changed the calendar up a few hundred.
I am 100% following.
Now I get it.
Now I get it.
So then.
And then you’re saying that they changed the year because they wanted Otto to be like the millennial guy.
Exactly.
Henry’s like, boom, we got it.
And he’s using this math as proof that it was Otto who did it.
Okay.
He’s like, the math doesn’t make any sense.
Math’s not math.
The only time this could have happened was the Dark Ages, the Middle Ages, because we don’t have enough evidence to prove it didn’t happen.
Okay.
So he’s a little crazy.
I would like to pose a question.
Why did he choose Otto?
Like, does he have any physical evidence?
This is where I don’t have enough, like, historical background, but I think it’s just because Otto is a major leader at that time.
Like, he made a big difference in things.
Okay.
So it’s very confusing.
So in his delusions, Otto became the one.
Yes.
So I do have a quote specifically from the article.
When we think it’s 2012, it’s actually only 1715.
The calendar system that we use today is the Gregorian calendar, which specifies leap year every four years, except for years divisible by 100, but still including the years divisible by 400.
That’s just how leap year works.
This keeps us right on track very well.
It’s adoption in 1582 was largely motivated by the need to keep Easter in the right place on the calendar, which was something that was important to the church, but had drifted off 10 days using the previous Julian calendar.
The Julian system was simpler.
It had a leap year every four years with no exceptions, so it was less accurate.
The correction was ordered by Pope Gregory XIII and was accomplished by going from October 4, 1582 directly to October 1582, and then proceeding on with time like normal.
So in the year 1582, they realized that we weren’t calculating leap year right, and the pope was like, fix it now, because now time won’t make sense going forward.
It’s kind of like how everything comes from some little nugget.
So like, first of all, it’s wild how much power the church had, right?
But also, so what you’re saying is like, we did have an error.
We did fast forward time 10 days, and now someone has taken that and made it…
A bigger thing.
300.
And this, the event that happened in 1582, the fast forward of 10 days, was purposeful and scientifically proven because of leap year and leap day.
And so if you then take 1582, minus 1257, which was the year that the Gregorian calendar began, minus the years necessary to produce 10 days of error in the Julian calendar, you get 325.
So that is the gap of years that Henry said is missing or something, right?
All done.
So in order to have produced 10 days of error, we’re behind 325 years.
Yeah.
There has…
my math…
That’s just because if you look at leap year, if you add up every single 24 hours of leap day every year, that’s how it maps.
Right.
It’s like a decimal.
It’s a decimal point that it’s part of a day.
So whatever 325 divided by 10 is the decimal to which we would…
I guess not the decimal, but…
So that is what he’s saying happened, right?
And now we’re going to get into why this is literal crapola and wrong.
This is where it makes more sense because it doesn’t make sense.
According to that, 325 divided by 10 means that we were missing 0.03 days of the year per year that we missed.
Allegedly, yeah.
Well, yes, not allegedly.
That’s true.
Yeah.
So hold on.
Might believe this.
See, he purposely makes it confusing so that you believe it, which I think is a common denominator with all conspiracy theories that we introduced.
They purposely make it overcomplicated so that you believe it because it’s confusing.
Well, also, you know, the more confusing it gets, the more convoluted it gets, and the easier it is to make up details.
And you can see how Henry is just in front of his whiteboard, like hair askew, looking crazy.
Yeah.
Right.
So first thing…
A beautiful mind.
Yeah.
The first way historians prove them wrong is just based on astronomy and ancient astronomic events that happen.
So the biggest things are like solar eclipses and comets, specifically Haley’s comet.
So these are things that happen no matter what every so many years that is always documented in written events.
Yeah.
And so these things would have happened during the chunk of time that Henry’s saying we fast forwarded through.
So immediately he’s wrong because we have proof that Haley’s comet happened on this year.
So immediately wrong.
Other reasons why Henry’s wrong is fossils and finding archaeological proofs of life from those years.
You know what I mean?
Like we could find, they didn’t specifically state any particular famous fossils, but you can find like tools that were buried under layers and layers of dirt, buttons on clothing, things like that.
They have found in the dirt.
Yeah.
But you guys don’t believe in like the carbon dating or whatever?
I don’t know if I don’t believe in carbon dating.
I just think that people put too much emphasis on science sometimes.
Yeah.
Uh-oh.
So…
No, I mean, like I think that everything is a theory, right?
Like everything is a theory.
We just believe it to be true.
So, I mean, this is where I come from with the conspiracy theory.
So like there is no absolute truth in anything.
Like we just believe that like one day there was an explosion and it was the Big Bang Theory and nothing ever had happened before that.
I mean, chaos suddenly became controlled.
I think that’s where I’m like, we just believe this without like, I don’t know.
I think it takes a lot of belief to believe a theory.
So just because people, just because all these people say it’s true doesn’t mean it’s true.
You know, that’s where I am.
I’m going to bring up the calendar again.
So the Gregorian reform, which is what they called when they created the Gregorian calendar and tried to adjust leap year, was never meant to actually be in line with the Julian calendar.
That wasn’t its intention.
So the Julian calendar itself wasn’t started until actually 45 BC.
And there was a lot of confusing historical jargon, but essentially there was a religious council.
The Council of Nicaea was in 325 AD, was attempting to determine the specific timing of Easter based on when it was dated and when the vernal equinox happened in March.
So that’s what they were trying.
The intention of this was to figure out Easter.
So the three missing centuries that Henry is claiming were never actually counted for when the council correlated the date of Easter with the correct equinox date, because they were originally using March 10th when comparing to the Julian calendar, but actually they should have been using March 21st.
So he’s claiming these 300 years never happened, but the problem, like essentially, when they were doing the equation, they were just using the wrong starting point.
And so that’s why Henry found that gap of numbers, because they did the math wrong.
So if you adjust the starting point, then it actually makes sense.
There’s no missing chunk of 300 years.
I also think that just because we fast forwarded in time for 10 days doesn’t mean you missed 300 years.
Yeah.
Well, so he’s saying, yeah, we sped up these 10 days, but because we sped up these 10 days, it really should have been like 15 days, according to Henry’s math.
Oh, and he’s saying, oh, we only sped up 10 days, so they did their math wrong.
So that means 300 years was not accounted for in the calendar, so they had to have made up all those events that happened in those 300 years, because the church is saying it’s this year now.
All right.
So he’s saying that they mathed wrong.
Yes.
So even though we sped up 10 days, we should have sped up 15.
In his mind.
But the reason why they did the math wrong is because they were basing it off of Easter being on March 10th when Easter happened on March 21st.
Got it.
Does that make sense now?
Yes.
And so if the Carolingian, Carolinian dynasty in Charlemagne was fabricated, we would have also seen the corresponding fabrication of history with the rest of Europe and if not the rest of the world.
Everybody would have had their calendars messed up.
Right.
About like what’s happening like in China.
Exactly.
So even further, this chunk of time that Henry is claiming didn’t happen would then correlate with the Islamic expansion into the Western Roman Empire or the Tang dynasty in China.
So we have proof of things happening with China.
We have proof of like the Middle East area and the Western side of Europe all happening and their calendars correlate with, like don’t correlate with Henry’s.
Okay.
So Henry’s wrong.
Okay.
Okay.
So essentially there’s just too many major events documented in other areas of the world.
And so we would just need way too much forgery for it all to make sense.
Right.
So Henry’s true theory is based on that math with the calendars, and that’s how he started this belief.
But really that math was wrong to begin with, and he’s just crazy.
Well, it’s kind of like when like a police, like a detective is investigating something, and then they are like, oh, that’s weird.
And then you try to just like make everything fit, right?
Yeah.
Like there was a little mistake, and now I’m going to, now I have this theory, and I’m going to do whatever I can to make everything else fit into my theory.
That’s exactly it.
Yeah.
And he truly believes Charlemagne and his entire lineage, in addition to 60 different posts, just didn’t exist, and we made them all up.
There’s just too many, there’s too many people to have made up.
And so believers of this theory are famous for constantly arguing evidence shown against them is simply unreliable and accurate.
So if you try to tell Henry he’s wrong, he’ll tell you that your evidence is just unreliable.
Like, your dating system is just unreliable.
So how can I trust what you’re telling me?
My thoughts when I was going through this, this is where I get into it, did they actually eliminate the time?
Like, was the actual calendars, did they actually happen?
I don’t really think so.
Like, you know what I mean?
I really, we, the Middle Ages happened.
None of that was fabricated.
Right.
But then I started questioning, like, the church itself and how much power the church has to just…
Or at least had back then a calendar.
It was crazy.
I mean, if you want to argue that the church, I mean, the Roman Empire, like, controlled everything, right?
So if they changed the calendar, then they would change everyone’s calendar, because everybody would have…
So, like, even if we had all these historical events lining up, were they using the Roman Empire’s calendar?
And the only thing that I truly found confusing was the architecture style that he brings up, because nobody really addressed that when they were arguing against Henry.
So there is architecture that you can find that’s dated.
That showed up way earlier than it should have.
And there’s just no explanation for that.
So that one I was like, how did they know about this style this far ahead?
So I was kind of confused by that.
Oh, interesting.
Interesting, what do you guys think?
I think it’s very confusing.
I think, yeah, no, it just seems like another example of like, there’s a small nugget of truth up, we have 10 days that didn’t happen, and suddenly somebody has taken that and run with it.
So I don’t know if I buy it.
I don’t know if I can believe that the entire world is in on this conspiracy, just so that some guy could be the emperor at the turn of the century.
It reminded me, when Henry is confronted about the existence of China during all this, he’s just like, well, China’s unreliable.
That’s what he says.
Which like, he’s like, how can we trust China?
And I’m like, yeah, okay, you’re right.
But that is also what, that’s the conspiracy theory thing too, right, is you can always just be like, anything you give people, but can we trust them?
And he’s like, well, can we trust the church?
And I’m like, well, oh, oh.
There’s a lot, I mean, yeah, it’s just like, who do you trust?
Yeah, not Henry.
So Kait, you’re not buying into it?
No.
I’m not buying.
We agree again.
I do think that we still lived the years.
That’s what I think I’m stuck on.
So technically, the only days that don’t exist are those days in October that the Pope just…
Yeah, in that year, 1582.
Yeah, technically, those are the only days that were adjusted.
Right.
So if you have historical things that happened in the years…
That Henry’s claiming didn’t exist.
Henry’s claiming didn’t…
They were there.
Well, yeah, that’s why he’s crazy.
So I guess…
Yeah, so that’s what I think I’m like.
But just because we don’t label it the same way that we labeled today’s age doesn’t mean we didn’t live it.
And that was how it was documented at that time.
Yeah.
So, yes, we did account for, like, there was a mistake between when you were switching between the calendars, but we accounted for it in the 1500s, sped up 10 days, and the only days that don’t exist in time are those days that we sped up.
So I guess I’m just like, like, you don’t make sense.
Yeah.
That doesn’t make sense.
Like, what he’s saying doesn’t make sense.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what are our choices, Kait?
The Middle Ages did not exist, and Charlemagne is made up.
The first emperor of the Roman Empire was made up, and 60 popes after were like not real.
Wrong.
We just have 10 days missing.
Yeah, we have 10 days missing, and that’s that.
That’s that.
Yeah.
That time, there is no missing chunk of time.
Yeah.
I’m on a no missing chunk.
I’m all…
In the end, I’m also on your page.
I just had a hard time explaining it.
No, I don’t think you had a hard time explaining it.
It’s confusing.
It’s just confusing.
Okay.
Well, that was a fun, festive Leap Year episode.
You guys, take a listen.
We didn’t have Leap Year cocktails because they’re gin cocktails, and we don’t like gin.
I like gin, though.
I do, too.
Oh, I thought you guys were with me.
There’s a Leap Year cocktail.
We’ll post it.
That exists.
We’ll post the recipe for you, so why don’t you sip one of those if you’re a gin drinker.
Listen to our episode.
I kept telling Megan, I said, just switch it with vodka.
I didn’t know you guys liked gin.
I do.
My mom’s a gin drinker, so mom, enjoy your gin drinks.
Tastes like a Christmas treat.
Drink it with us as you listen to us.
Leap Year.
Especially in the summertime, you order a gin and tonic with some lime.
Well, we’ll post the recipe for our listeners.
They can take a list of the episode, they can vote, and then what should they do, Kait?
Scroll on down, leave us a five-star review, leave us a comment, tell us how much you like the pod, and maybe we’ll read it on the podcast.
Yeah, if you leave us a good review, maybe we’ll read it.
Thanks guys, see you next week.
Thank you.