Hey, guys. Hey, guys. What’s up?
Here we are. Welcome back. It’s all three of us again.
One, two, three.
Is there anything you guys want to talk about?
Yeah, I want to talk about the freeze trying to kill my strawberries.
I’d like to move on from Kait’s topic to my topic. Okay. The moon and how it’s making me cry.
When they named the crater after Carol.
Just every part of this moon trip is making me tear up.
So Megan and I actually had the same thought about this.
You know when you go on an airplane and you suddenly become more emotional? Yes. It’s something to do with the atmosphere.
I have no idea. I think it’s like the stress of travel plus the atmospheric pressure is why we cry when we watch movies on a plane. Yeah.
You’re not supposed to make any big decisions before or after a flight. I think it was a beautiful moment and it showed their comradery. But I was like, I wonder if they’re right, if they’re even more emotional.
But you cried when you watched the video. Yeah. I mean, I cry over everything.
And you were on land. But let me be very clear, someone could cry and I would cry with them.
Yeah.
That is just the way my tear ducts work. So yeah, we are back, not really at the moon, around the moon.
Yeah. Are they on their way home now?
They are.
This is a quick trip.
Well, it’s been like a week. Really? Yeah.
So my son was watching the Netflix documentary and he was like, Mom, how do they do that just sitting there with all that force when they’re going up in the atmosphere? And I was like, a lot of training.
And then he was like, has anyone ever died in a rocket? And I was like, the challenger. Yes.
And he was like, what?
And I was like, another time, dude. So yeah, I mean, I’ve been following the Artemis 2 closely. Yeah.
And that’s sort of on topic for what we’re going to talk about this week. But sure. So before we get into it, is a time for our-
Drink check.
Yeah, drink check.
So in honor of the Artemis 2, not to be confused with Artemis, goddess of the hunt.
It’s Apollo’s twin sister.
But when I looked it up last podcast, the moon did not come up. It’s a goddess of the hunt and fertility.
She’s Apollo’s sister.
Yeah, Greek goddess of the hunt, wilderness, wild animals and the moon. Okay, so last week- I did say that and you guys were like, nah.
You said, isn’t Artemis the god of the moon? And I said, yeah, it’s a goddess.
Okay, well-
And when I looked it up and I just got like that one sentence at the top of Google, it said the hunt and fertility and that kind of thing. So I stand corrected. Goddess of the moon.
Goddess of the moon and not to brag. I learned that from Percy Jackson. If you haven’t read the books, they’re so good.
Anyway, Artemis, drink check. What we drinking, Maggie? We’re drinking a dark side of the moon teeny.
It’s so good.
It is very yummy.
Another five out of five here. It’s a 10 out of five for me. Yeah.
But I’m going to be honest. It’s got bourbon in it.
It’s got seltzer in it.
It’s got cherry in it. Everything I like.
She’s a hit.
No cherry. But close. It has two parts bourbon, one part berry seltzer, unless you’re Colleen, and then it’s like five parts.
So a lot more seltzer in there. Then I made ice balls out of frozen berries that I made a syrup from, and it was like raspberries, blackberries, blueberries, strawberries.
I thought it was cherry because I’m tasting cherry, but it must be just berries. So delicious. So you put the ball in, it looks like the dark side of the moon, and then as it melts, your drink gets a little fruity and sweet.
Right?
So good. Yep.
You know what? I am tasting all the… I’m tasting the raspberry now.
Yeah.
How about you say it?
The raspberry.
The rasp-berry. I don’t know.
I’m not supposed to have strawberries in it, but that’s what came in the Wegmans mixed berry. Yeah. And I was like, I think a blackberry would be good with it.
I think it has some blackberries. I think it has blackberry, raspberry, blueberry, strawberry. It’s delicious.
All I gotta say is 10 out of 5. Love that. Or 20 out of 10.
I was like, 10 out of 5.
Well, she said 5 out of 5 first.
I just wanted to say that it was a win because there’s not a lot of wins over here.
No, there really isn’t.
But when there’s a win, it’s a win. I’d like to say, Megan does like to give us crap about when we don’t like something. However, when we like something, we celebrate it.
I know.
I’m sever.
It feels better. It’s got to feel better.
It does.
Yeah.
It’s got to feel better. Yeah.
5:41
Scientist Mystery Begins
What if the brightest minds in science were being erased?
Over the past couple years, a quiet pattern has begun to emerge. Names that once lived in research papers, conference panels, and classified briefings are now showing up somewhere else entirely.
Missing persons reports, obituaries, and unanswered questions. Today we’re talking about nine scientists.
William McCasland, Monica Reza, Carl Grillmair, Melissa Casias, Anthony Chavez, Frank Maiwald, Michael David Hicks, Nuno Loureiro, and Jason Thomas. Different fields, different backgrounds, and yet their stories seem to echo each other.
Some are working on advanced energy systems, others on space observation, defense technologies, or experimental physics. All of them were operating at the edge of what we understand. Then, suddenly, they were gone.
So today we’re discussing these cases and trying to decide if this is just a tragic series of coincidences or if there is something linking these cases together. Oh my god. I instantly have a question.
Of course you do. Are they disappearing or are they dead? Both.
Oh my gosh.
Confirmed death.
This is a classic wrinkle in time.
Right.
I’m going to go through each one individually. And the thing is, the ones that disappeared, all eerily similar.
Oh my god.
And then there’s a handful that are confirmed dead. Oh my gosh.
You’re killing them.
That is the whole question, Colleen. Where are they disappearing to?
Are they all professionally in the same degree of science?
Well, I’m so happy you asked. I’m going to talk about it.
7:22
Key Research Facilities
Before I get into these individuals, though, they can almost all be linked. And they all seem to work for one of three different labs. So I’m going to summarize the three labs for you at first, so you kind of know what their area of expertise was.
And then I’ll tell you about the individuals.
Okay, I’m ready.
So the Air Force Research Lab is the main research and development arm of the United States Air Force and United States Space Force, responsible for creating and improving advanced technologies for air, space, and cyber operations.
It conducts cutting-edge research in areas like aerospace systems, satellites, directed energy, artificial intelligence, and human performance, often collaborating with universities and private industry.
The goal is to develop new technologies like advanced aircraft systems, satellites, and weapons, research future warfare capabilities, again, like AI or directed energy, and improve existing systems.
So a lot of different bases have some AFRL, but it’s headquartered at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and it plays a key role in developing future military capabilities with some of its innovations eventually influencing civilian technology.
Where is that?
Ohio.
Oh, H-I-O.
Wright-Patt, do you know what else we’re going to get into this a little bit? But do you know what else Wright-Patt is known for?
What?
Allegedly, they took all of the wreckage from Roswell and stored it at Wright-Patterson.
Oh, the ions? Allegedly.
Okay, so that’s the first lab, the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory. So this is a leading research and development center managed by NASA and run by the California Institute of Technology.
It specializes in designing and operating robotic space missions, meaning spacecraft that explore space without human crews.
It’s responsible for some of the most famous missions in space exploration, including the Mars rovers, deep space probes, and Earth-observing satellites.
From its headquarters in Pasadena, JPL develops cutting-edge technologies for navigation, robotics, and communication, helping scientists study planets, moons, asteroids, and the universe beyond Earth.
And then the last one is the Los Alamos National Lab.
In New Mexico. Yes. Oh, because the last of the Alamos?
I just…
Because what?
The last…
Wait, didn’t you say Los Alamos? Not to be confused with the Alamo. Did you say the last of the Alamos?
Yeah, Los Alamos.
The Los Alamos National Laboratory is a US government research facility that focuses on national security science and advanced technology.
It was originally created during the Manhattan Project to develop the first atomic bombs. Today, it conducts research in areas like nuclear weapons safety, energy, supercomputing, space science and national defense.
It is operated for the United States Department of Energy and plays a major role in maintaining the US nuclear stockpile and advancing high-level scientific research.
While it is best known for national security and nuclear work, it also conducts space-related research including space instrumentation like sensors and detectors that fly on satellites to measure radiation, particles and cosmic events.
They look at space weather, astrophysics and cosmology, which is like cosmic rays, dark matter, high-energy events, and then national security in space. Interesting. What national security in space?
Who are they being secured from?
So they build the tools and they do the science that helps.
They’re not doing quite as much space as opposed to JPL and NASA that are doing space operations, but they are doing all the science that helps those missions succeed and keep space systems safe. Right.
Rather than directly operating those rovers or telescopes. Okay. So those are kind of the three labs that again, a lot of these people are associated with.
So we’re going to talk about those again. But you guys see some connections here, right? It feels very space related.
Yeah. It feels like cutting edge exploration into things that we don’t really know. And also high levels of defense.
Probably a lot of highly classified. It’s not like a research.
A lot of like what my brother does though, like building things for space.
Well, he better watch himself.
Your brother considered a scientist? He’s an engineer.
I don’t know. He’s a physicist?
He’s a mechanical engineer.
Engineer.
He’s going to get, he’s next.
So we’re not what he’s next.
So we are farmers.
No. Okay. We are farmers.
You said it wrong.
I had to fix it. I was trying.
Okay. So these cases have all occurred. I think the first one is 2023.
Oh.
Most of them 2025 to 2026.
Okay.
Who’s picking them off?
I was originally to go in chronologic order. I’m not going to do that. Instead, I’m going to start random.
You’re going to organize by systems. I feel you. Sort of.
And also, for example, I did all my research. I woke up this morning. I had a Reddit alert.
There was a ninth scientist and all of a sudden, I’m getting my allergy shot this morning and I’m spending my 30 minutes in the waiting room researching number nine. We are hot off the press. Yes.
The one that just came out is like, someone just realized this happened three years ago. Oh my god. So the way that people are hearing about these is not necessarily the order in which they happen.
12:33
General McCasland Case
But I’m going to start with, I think, the biggest one, the one that’s the most famous and the one that seems to have the most connections to all these other people.
Okay.
And that is retired United States Air Force General William N. McCasland.
Oh, right.
General. Yes.
Here comes a general.
He’s a two-star general. Kait, I’m so happy you asked. He is, was, I don’t know.
Right.
68 years old.
He’s an astronautical engineer.
Hold on. That’s crazy.
And a retired United States Air Force General. During his career, he held a number of space research, acquisition and operations roles within the Air Force and the National Reconnaissance Office. Oh.
We have some friends at the NRO.
We do.
We also have a lot of friends in the Air Force. Yep.
So his roles included director level positions at the Pentagon, as well as commanding the Phillips Research site of Air Force Research Laboratory at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico and the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air
Because he’s also an engineer.
He retired in 2013, but continued his work as a director of technology at Applied Technology Associates, a subsidiary of Blue Halo, a defense conglomerate.
In 2021, he started his own consulting group advising clients from the DOD and the DOE.
So February 2026, at around 10 a.m., William interacted with a repairman at his home in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and his wife left for a medical appointment at 1110 a.m.
She returned around noon to find him gone and reported him missing just after 3 p.m. I feel like a person isn’t really missing for 48 hours, Megan, isn’t it?
Probably an adult.
Well that’s actually-
Isn’t that factual?
Not factual.
Oh, really?
Fun fact from someone who listens to all the true crime. If you try to report someone missing and they tell you you need to wait 48 hours, you tell them, that’s not true.
Oh, okay.
It just means that they’re pushing you off.
Okay.
But wait till you hear about the detail surrounding this, okay?
Okay.
So when she called to report a missing after 3 p.m., she told 911, here’s the direct quote, my husband is missing, it’s been about three hours and I have some indication that he must have planned not to be found. Oh, she’s a weird thing to say.
That’s a very weird thing to say. So he had been experiencing some mental fog, but they said he wasn’t really on a neurologic decline, he just was like, man, I’m just feeling not as sharp as usual and he was getting evaluated for that.
But he was in no way, disoriented, confused, declined. In fact, the police said, despite his mental fog, that he was self-reporting, he would likely still be the most intelligent person in the room.
Right.
So here, wait, when was this, what year? Last month. Oh, a lot of these people who just disappeared.
When you first read the articles, it’s like, he walked away from his home on foot and was never seen. But no one actually saw any of these people walk away from their home.
Okay.
How do we know? Making this assumption, right? Oh my gosh.
So the reason that the news articles say he walked away from home despite no one having seen him leave, is that his phone, glasses, and smartwatch were left behind. Oh, so that’s why she thinks he doesn’t want to get, okay, I’m tracking.
Police say a wallet, a red backpack, a revolver, and a holster belonging to him are still unaccounted for. Okay. Cars and bikes were all accounted for.
So it’s like, sounds like the wife came home and was like, well, the cars and bikes are here and he’s gone, so he must have left on foot. Yes. So that is the assumption that he left on foot.
Yeah.
Not like picked up.
But again, no proof proof of that. No. Okay, here’s my question immediately.
Do we think the brain fog is related to being vis the things? Oh.
Yeah.
From extraterrestrials and they were messing with his mems.
Immediately, yes.
Well, I’m so happy you mentioned extraterrestrials. Okay. Because there is a UFO connection.
Of course.
As I mentioned, Wright Patterson is rumored to have extraterrestrial debris from Roswell, New Mexico.
And this general was named in a WikiLeaks email from Tom DeLong of Blink 182 to John Podesta in 2016.
Okay.
We’ve talked about the WikiLeaks in the past here.
Yep.
Okay. This email from Tom DeLong to John Podesta said, He mentioned he’s a skeptic. He’s not.
I’ve been working with him for four months. I just got done giving him a four-hour presentation on the entire project a few weeks ago. Trust me, the advice has already been happening on how to do all this.
He just has to say that out loud, but he is very, very aware as he was in charge of all the stuff. When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
General McCasland was in charge of that exact laboratory up to a couple of years ago. He not only knows what I’m trying to achieve, he helped assemble my advisory team. He’s a very important man.
Best, Tom DeLong. Because Tom is a prominent UFO researcher, and he founded 2 the stars Academy of Arts and Science in 2015 to investigate unidentified aerial phenomena.
He’s been working with the US military and intelligence officers to disclose official UAP videos. And so he has his whole foundation. This is his goal.
Seems to be some kind of UFO correlating.
Okay.
Did we know Tom DeLong from Blink-192 was very into UFOs? I did not know that.
And I was like, I didn’t know that at all.
Okay. So I didn’t know if that was like… When you Google it, it’s out there.
He’s big on the aliens.
But he wants all of these, you know, as we’re so slowly seeing these unidentified aerial phenomena, these…
The USOs. The USOs.
Yeah.
The UAPs. And they’re slowly kind of coming out. He’s been very vocal about like, you know, show us the videos.
Yeah.
So did the general just wander off without any plan to return as his wife alleged to police?
Was he a victim of foul play due to his UAP knowledge?
His disappearance came just days after President Donald Trump announced on True Social that he was directing the Pentagon and other federal agencies to release government records related to extraterrestrial life and UFOs.
Or was he targeted by foreign adversaries hoping to get their hands in defense technology that he was knowledgeable about?
He is not the only scientist to disappear or die under mysterious circumstances and people have linked him to several other cases which we’re about to discuss.
Okay.
Now, I will say his wife made light of the UAP connections. And she posted online, Neil does not have any special knowledge about the ET bodies and debris from the Roswell crash stored at Wright Path.
Though at this point with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that the aliens beamed him up to the mothership. However, no sightings of a mothership hovering above the Sandia Mountains have been reported.
That kind of feels like a little jokey for someone whose husband just disappeared.
She said that seriously or like?
Well, yeah, I think she’s trying to like roll her eyes like, guys, this is not about aliens. Right. But people have pointed out that she herself has a PhD in astrophysics and was a NASA mission specialist astronaut finalist.
She was like one away from being an astronaut. When she didn’t get selected, she commissioned the United States Air Force, she retired as a lieutenant colonel, and she now works as a defense contractor. Does she know something that we don’t know?
She’s just trying to like, she’s part of the cover-up. Maybe. That’s the question.
That’s a good question. That is our biggest story.
Yeah.
Then I’m going to tell you about some people around him that have disappeared.
Okay.
Do you have any other thoughts about him before I move on? I just feel like, so we still, there’s nobody.
You said it was a month ago.
Yeah. Investigation, I’m assuming, is ongoing.
Yeah.
I will say that with a lot of these cases, what’s weird is that it seems to be brushing to the rug. Nobody’s coming out and making big announcements. Nobody’s really coordinating the investigations.
This is one case where because of his history, he does have the FBI and the police and he’s got military all in on this investigation. But they say there’s been no sign of him.
They tried to bring in drones that could detect temperature to look for a body in the woods. But it was so hot and the heat was bouncing off of the rocks that it was useless. Okay.
He was an avid outdoorsman.
I’m just thinking he is Alzheimer’s.
But they’re saying there’s no evidence of that, that he’s really just described. I mean, I have brain fog, right? And the thing is too, this in of itself is a weird story.
But when you see, he’s one of about four people who allegedly just walked out of their home.
Yeah.
And so then it becomes this pattern. A pattern. Why are all these people that no one is seeing leave their house, allegedly walking out of their home and just disappearing?
Was he working with Mercury?
Oh, that is a good question. Exposure to chemicals. Yeah.
Any radiation. Right. Breathing in.
But again, where did they go? Is he putting moonstones? Yeah.
Well, just a thought.
Just the Mercury.
Yeah.
The Mad Hatter if you-
In retrograde. Yeah.
21:34
More Scientist Cases
So then let me tell you about that’s probably the second most famous case here.
All right.
Monica Reza, she was 60.
She went by the name Monica Jacinto professionally. Right. She was a material scientist at Aerojet Rocketdyne, which was funded by NASA in the Air Force Research Laboratory, which I told you about earlier.
Right. She had co… She sounds like a badass, guys.
Okay.
She had co-invented Mondeloi.
Okay.
And held the patent for the Nickel Bay Superalloy.
So before her invention, Americans couldn’t keep up with the Soviets when it came to rocket design. They needed a metal that was strong enough to handle the high pressure without setting on fire from the heat.
And any metal they used that didn’t catch fire was too weak to hold and vice versa.
Okay.
So in the 90s, Dallas Hardwick and Monica Reza founded Mondeloi, and it was named Mon for Monica, alloy.
Should I know this?
No, that’s why I’m calling you about it. I mean, if you work, I think, in aeronautics, you know it. So this, again, was nickel-based and it could withstand the heat without cracking.
In a 2017 Space News profile, Monica said, Because Mondeloi is a family of alloys, I work with the Air Force to scale up production, look at different processing methods, and get the material ready for insertion into a rocket engine.
In 2023, she left Aerojet Rocketdyne, and she moved to NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory. On June 22nd, 2025, she drove to meet up with her yoga friends and park at their house.
The yoga.
She then rode with two companions to the 6,000-foot day use parking area on the Pacific Crest Trail crossing at Highway 2 in the Angeles National Forest. This is giving a flavor of Alpine Divorce.
Yeah, it was like one of her friends’ killer.
They began a 2,000-foot ascent on a challenging hike that Monica had done weekly. One of the three people stopped at the bottom of a steep section, and so Monica and her male companion continued to the summit of Mount Waterman.
They made it to the summit and began descending the West Ridge. Based on photographic evidence from her male companion’s phone, they covered a mile from the summit in 17 minutes and then another 0.3 miles in 5 minutes. Wow, that’s pretty good.
At that point, according to her companion, they approached a turn, and her male companion turned around to see that she was some distance behind him. So he has changed this.
If he has reported it was anywhere from 30 feet to 30 yards, she was behind him.
Okay.
But photographs taken moments before indicate she was likely about 60 feet behind him.
Okay.
So he gestures like returning right, she waved to acknowledge him, and he descended about 150 feet before realizing that she was not behind him.
He returned to where he had last seen her, but within the eight minutes that he had lost sight of her, she disappeared.
He was yelling for her, and their companion who remained 1600 feet away and 500 feet below the ridge near a highway, could hear his screams, but Monica didn’t answer. Okay. So this was in a national park?
Yes.
She tripped and hit her head.
The Angeles National Forest at Mount Waterman. Okay. This also goes back to, yes, scientists, but have you heard of all the people that have disappeared in national parks?
Yeah. That’s a whole different game, but she could be lumped into that too. That’s on the Google share drive for us at some point.
My immediate thought is she tripped and hit her head.
Okay.
But where’s the body?
But why, when he retraced his steps, could he not find her?
Maybe she fell off the slide.
Well, so okay, that’s a good thought.
But also, my thought is she’s in another dimension.
Or that.
That’s part of the conspiracies of the national parks.
They go into the tunnels.
Well, they go into the tunnels, they go into different dimensions and they hit a wormhole or the planes of time cross somewhere and they just disappear.
Listen, I’m not saying it could be true.
But I’m not saying it could be false, you know? So I think it’s interesting too that, I mean, unless she was unconscious or someone took her or someone. I mean, the fact that people could hear this guy calling for her.
Yeah.
But she didn’t respond.
Yeah.
Okay.
And it kind of sounds like it wasn’t like he hiked all the way down the mountain. It was like eight minutes. She was behind him.
Eight minutes went by. A hundred fifty feet he went and he turned around. He said, where’d she go?
He went back. It was only eight minutes. So I feel like if she had just like slipped, he should have seen her.
Or she probably would have like screamed a little bit. Yeah. You would have heard her yelling as you fell.
Yeah. Which we talked about last week when they were like, who falls over a cliff silently. Right.
So she was last seen at 9, 10 a.m. and has not been seen since despite extensive search and rescue operation.
I’m telling you, she’s gone into another dimension and it all is going back to Kamazats.
Well, you know, Meg’s dad, look it up.
Like just to recheck in another way to end, the first guy had to do with Roswell Aliens.
Well, he worked for the AFRL, the Air Force Research Laboratory at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico and also at Wright Potters, which is the headquarters. So he was responsible for something like $2.2 billion in funding. That’s insane.
He funded her research. So it’s unclear if they… I mean, people will say that they knew each other, but I couldn’t really fact-check that.
He probably oversaw a lot of research. He signed off on something. But it is interesting that there is a connection.
Yeah, that is very-
And medals.
So Nuno Reza’s research into Mondeloi- Oh, that’s right. The medal.
The medal. Okay. You don’t have to get it.
Was funded by the Air Force Research Laboratory, which was led by General McCasland, which I just told you about. That is so cool. So we know they were both researching rocket propulsion, advanced materials, and Air Force funded space technology.
And we know that he oversaw the projects and budgets that funded her work. But again, unclear if he actually knew her. Oh my gosh.
What if the aliens knew that they were doing all of this and started rounding them up one by one so that they could commandeer the world’s greatest minds and then create a weapon against Earth?
I mean, the aliens and UFOs are kind of a common thread here. It could be the aliens or it could be another dimension. Just our enemies.
I was just going to say, or another country.
Another country who wants this…
Who wants this…
Yeah, who wants this knowledge, this research, these resources.
I’m leaning more towards sneaky Russian spies.
The more likely?
Yeah, the more likely Russian spies.
We think of it as Russian?
Russian is who most people think it is.
Who are we always fighting for space? Yeah, China.
China is in on it too.
Who’s working with China?
It’s like the sneaky China. But when we go back to the space race that was Russia. Russia and the US, right?
It’s got to be Russia.
They’re Russian. To kill us.
Our third case of 9.
I’m like forgetting the last one right as you go into the next one.
We have the general. Then we have the alloy. We have Monica.
Monica.
Okay, that will help. We’ll help.
Then we have Carl Grillmair. He was 67. Oh, okay.
They’re all the same ages, like 60s.
60.
The first guy was 69. Yeah, I think it was 60. This guy’s 67.
Oh, related to the 1960s.
They’re all being sent back to the 60s. They’re all being sent back to the move.
I’m telling you, aliens, dimensions. Okay. It could be Russia, but you know.
So Carl was a Canadian astronomer and astrophysicist who was a research scientist at Caltech.
Okay.
Who did I tell you runs the jet propulsion laboratory for NASA? Caltech. Caltech.
Carl Grillmair was a research scientist at Caltech. He studied exoplanets, so planets outside of our solar system, galactic structure, and dark matter.
Okay.
When I think of exoplanets, I think of exoskeletons like insects.
I didn’t even know we could see that far anyways. Well, I don’t think we can see that far, but I think we’ve sent cameras, like satellites out there.
For the listeners at home, Kait pointed to her eye when she said, we can’t see them. I think she’s implying that people with equipment maybe can. Do you know what dark matter is?
I’ve watched Interstellar, like the black holes.
It is invisible matter that has gravity.
I said, Chachi BT, please explain dark matter for dummies. He said, it said, imagine leaves moving. We don’t see the wind, but we know there’s wind because the leaves are moving.
Well, when we look at the stars and planets, we know that there’s something invisible adding extra gravity that keeps them from flying apart, but we don’t know what that is.
They estimate that 85 percent of all matter in the universe is dark matter and this guy was like a dark matter expert. He worked on the Hubble Space Telescope.
The Hubble Space, the Spitzer Space Telescope, and the Wide Field Infrared Survey Explorer. Imagine this guy’s resume.
So on February 17th, 2026, he was shot on the front porch of his Antelope Valley, California home at 6:10 AM, and shot, and this was, I’m going to tell you about it, but this is weird because he lived in the middle of nowhere because he had his own
That is so cool.
So why are people on his property?
Well, robbing him.
Okay, number one, what kind of gun was he shot with?
A rifle. And do we know the owner of the gun? Allegedly.
Okay, so no proof proof of who killed him. Well, I mean, they arrested somebody, but we’re conspiracy theorists. Exactly.
So he was shot at 6:10 AM. When EMS arrived, he was declared dead on the scene from a single bullet wound to his abdomen. The man arrested for the murder was 29-year-old Freddie Snyder.
Oh, Freddie.
Snyder had been arrested on December 23rd on weapons charges after trespassing on Grillmire’s property while carrying a rifle.
Apparently, Grillmire had called the police on December 20th after spotting Snyder on his property carrying what was identified as a loaded unregistered rifle. What?
Snyder said that he was going to the post office and the weapon was to protect him from wild animals, but he was walking in the wrong direction of the post office. So again, this guy’s in a remote area.
There’s really no reason for him to be on his property. The felony case was dismissed by a judge. So people wonder why was this case dismissed?
If this guy was locked up, next crime wouldn’t have happened. Fast forward to February 17th. At the same time as the report of the shooting came in, another call came in reporting a nearby carjacking.
Within five hours, Snyder was arrested as being held on $3.175 million bond. Grillmair reportedly worked on a telescope project powered by military technology muttered by the Air Force Research Lab, which McCasland oversaw.
I was about to say, right, Pat? I’m tracking. And he worked, as I said, for Caltech, Caltech, which runs Denial, which is not, okay?
Now I will say, I mentioned he’s a Canadian. And we also have a Portuguese guy in our story later. So people online are like, we see these guys’ resumes, but we don’t even know what top secret contracts they had.
And someone on Reddit pointed out like, well, if he’s not American, he probably couldn’t obtain a security clearance. And so actually when I looked it up, it does say that security clearances are restricted to US citizens.
However, in rare cases, foreign nationals with unique urgent skills may be granted a limited access authorization and unique skills. Also, I mean, remember Operation Paperclip? All those Germans came over and we were like, you were the enemy.
But now, now, why don’t you work on Plum Island? But anyway, what is I could not figure out from my research whether or not he was a US citizen or not, which may or may not increase his likelihood of being involved in some top secret contract.
But just go throw that in there.
Hold on.
Pause. Megan. You tell me that I remember a lot of things about the books I read.
Well, Plum Island was the episode that had me being like, wait a minute. Yeah. Your eyes were opened.
Yeah. It was the episode. It was.
Is that the tick one?
That’s the tick one.
Yeah, I like that one.
Yeah, that was a good one.
Well, because you know, now that-
I really believe that one.
You also, the other conspiracy right now is that Big Pharma is releasing a-
Lime cure.
A vaccine for Lyme disease. And suddenly, in the Midwest, they’re seeing the most ticks they’ve ever seen. So then now the conspiracy-
It’s not where the lab went.
Mm-hmm. Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh. Wait, I want to go back to the other one. Okay, the guy-
Because what is the motive? Do we not know what his motive is? No, we don’t know what that guy’s motive is.
Okay. Robbery is like the allegation because he stole a- But it’s so weird.
This guy got busted. Freddie got arrested, got released, which was so weird. Right.
But why would he return? It’s got to be personal. Exactly, exactly.
What is- This is personal. Was-
And is he mentally stable? Anybody who shoots somebody, let’s be real, is not mentally stable. Is not mentally stable.
But I have questions about Freddie, and I know, anyway.
What a random excuse. I was going to the post office. Did he even have a letter on him?
So can you imagine living-
Probably not.
That’s like living back in the dust bowl or something.
Picture someone being like-
Picture this.
Being someone like, I had to walk to the post office, so I needed to bring a rifle to protect myself. Yeah, that’s a weird- I’m just thinking about the book I just read where they’re like, everybody had rifles, the one that you and I just read.
The second book was not that good.
I just think, who is mailing stuff? What are you mailing?
Colleen, I feel like you go to the post office a lot.
It’s because I put it on my bucket list.
We literally-
I said I actively made a decision to mail more things in 2026.
She literally drove me to the post office yesterday. Okay. So Melissa Casias, I think, are we at number four here?
Yes.
She was an administrative assistant at the Los Alamos National Lab, where her husband also worked.
She was a secretary, but she did carry a security clearance. My dream job. And like CIA operatives, people are like, this is something that people used to do.
Like the intelligence agencies from other countries would kidnap the secretaries because they have access to all the same information. They do. And you know what?
They’re not as high profile. So again, not a big research background, but she had a security clearance. Here’s her story.
On June 26, 2025, she dropped her husband off at work at 615, because again, they worked together. She said that she was going to another location within LANL almost national lab, to complete a task.
At 745, Melissa’s daughter heard her mom enter the home, and Melissa explained that she had forgotten her security clearance badge and would work from home.
But her husband reports that there’s no way she forgot her badge because you needed your badge. The driver of the vehicle had to use their badge to enter the premises. So like she definitely had her badge that morning.
Right, right, to drop him off. Correct. At 1250, she dropped off lunch at her daughter’s workplace.
About an hour and a half later, a family acquaintance observed Melissa walking eastbound on New Mexico 518 from the Talpa, New Mexico area towards Pot Creek, about three miles from her home.
This was confirmed with surveillance footage from a local business. She was wearing a backpack. In the meantime, her boss reached out to her husband to report that she was not at work and her husband attempted to reach her without success.
When her daughter, Sierra, returned home from work, she found the front door locked and her mother’s vehicle parked outside. Her keys and work phone were on the kitchen table. This is like the general.
And her office was her wallet, personal cell, and some cash. Both phones, personal and work phone, had been factory reset.
What?
She was reported missing at 5 p.m. Oh my God. She still remains missing.
Her husband and daughter believed that she was under personal and financial stress. They were like, you know, when we started looking into things after she left, like she probably was really distressed and we didn’t know it.
But her family, the rest of her family is like, no, something else is going on here. Yeah. That seems like…
Now this is… Not worried enough. It’s like the general’s wife kind of being like a joke.
Making jokes, yeah. Yeah. I mean, her husband works at the lab also.
Does he know something? Right. I will say that they actually have somebody’s like doorbell camera showing her walking down the street.
So as opposed to the other people who just walked away, we do have evidence that she was walking.
Did she look weird?
Did she look like she was in a trance? I didn’t see anything about that.
Okay.
There was some question if she got into a vehicle or not.
Oh.
If she was seen, but she like walked and then maybe like met somebody somewhere.
Yeah.
Like there was some vehicle that this family member who saw her was like, oh, there was this vehicle and I think that maybe they took her or something. But then like the police said that they cleared that vehicle, so unknown.
But again, her job at LANL links her to the general, who at one time was the research commander at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico, which works closely with LANL on national security projects.
And she went missing only four days after Monica, the hiker. Okay. So now I’m thinking everybody’s in the same place.
These are all in the West Coast.
Imprisoned.
Now I’m thinking they’re all being held hostage. They’re all being held hostage.
I’m thinking terrorist. Yeah. Somebody else is doing this.
Or are they all purposefully disappearing to go work on a project together that they don’t want us?
Or do they know someone’s after them and they’re trying to protect themselves and their families? Well, it is weird that the girl from that Monica just literally disappeared off the side of a mountain. That’s a little weird without-
Did they do a man search of the mountain?
They did a really extensive search and rescue.
There was like four days. Because another thing that was weird about that, I glossed over this because I thought anyone could have done this, so it wasn’t that interesting to me.
But four days into the search and rescue, they’re still doing this crazy search and rescue for her. Somebody posted on Find a Grave a memorial to her in which it listed a date of death.
People were like, why is she listed as dead when we haven’t found her? No, she’s dead. So people thought that was really suspicious, but I also was like, I could go on right now and write that Kait is dead.
I don’t think that Find a Grave, it’s like Wikipedia. Right, right. So right now we’re deep.
We got three missing people and one dead guy.
Yep.
Okay. One dead guy with a rifle with suspicious 29-year-old who has apparently no motive, but is in custody.
No, was let free.
No, he was let free and then now he’s in custody, but if they hadn’t let him free after the first arrest, it wouldn’t have happened. Okay. So no motive that we know of, but clearly someone knows of something.
Okay.
Case number five.
Okay. Anthony Chavez, he was 79. He’s the oldest of our bunch so far.
Okay.
Wow.
Was a former employee of Los Alamos National Laboratory, but had retired in 2017 and nowhere online does it say what his job was at that lab.
Okay.
So he could have been a big scientist. He could have been a custodian. He could have been, I don’t know, but he was working at this lab.
Okay.
You have to have a security clearance to work anywhere like in the place.
I feel like you would. I mean, she said that you had to have a security clearance to get to the parking lot. Right.
So his story is, he did not have a cell phone, but the last landline calls from his home were made on May 5th, which is also when his bank activity ceased.
Oh.
On May 8th, police conducted a welfare check because his family was like, we can’t reach him on his landline. There were no signs of foul play. He had left his car locked in the driveway and left his wallet, keys and personal items in the home.
Again.
Is he in his 60s? This is so weird. How old is he?
79.
They said he was still very sharp though. He was a good 79.
Sure.
79 is not that old. So he was an outdoorsman. So there were some theories that maybe he’d gone for a hike and gotten lost because he was an outdoorsman.
But between May 5th and May 8th, like when his last known call was and when his welfare check was, wellness check, welfare check was, there was torrential downpours. It was like this weather. This was not how you would go outside.
Yeah, you wouldn’t be like, I think it’s a great day for a leisurely hike. This is so weird. He didn’t have a cell phone.
No cell phone. He just had the landline, which is very 79.
That is so old in his age.
Not even a jitterbug, you know? Yeah.
Did he have an email? Probably not.
He probably had like an AOL. It was probably like hotmail. Yeah.
So he, again, he gets talked about because of his place of work, but it’s really hard to speculate because I don’t know what he was doing at that place of work. So I don’t know what he had access to.
But again, could be like Melissa, who was administrative assistant, but again, just having your clearance and having access to information, you know, I’m telling you, this ain’t right. Okay. So then the next one, okay, six, six.
So we got four missing people, one dead guy. Correct.
All within the past two years.
Three years. Three years. I think so far everything’s in the past two years until the one I just, the one I added is 2023.
Okay. Okay. So Frank Maiwald, 61, he’s deceased.
Okay.
Okay.
Second dead man. He was a senior scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab. So apparently in the year leading up to his death, he was the lead researcher on a breakthrough that could help future space missions detect clear signs of life on other worlds.
So he died on July 4th, 2024. And this one, and the next one I’m going to tell you about, we’re not really publicized, but now that we’re seeing these patterns, people have gone back and looked. Okay.
And people were like, this is really weird. Wait, wait, wait. He just died?
He died July 4th, 2024. Okay. But we’re just talking about it now because it was really like after the general and Monica and Carl.
Right. People were like, well, what other scientists are missing? They’re dead.
Okay.
So do we know how he died?
No. So he died on July 4th, 2024.
But we know he’s dead.
He’s dead. Nowhere online does it list a cause of death. We know there was no autopsy ever performed, and his memorial website indicates that death was sudden and unexpected based on everyone commenting, like this came out of nowhere.
But that’s all we know, that people just went back like, now that we know all these people are missing or dying, what about this guy? What happened here? Right.
He worked for the Jet Propulsion Lab, as I said, where Monica was working at the time of her disappearance, and Carl Grillmair, also worked for Caltech, which owns and sponsors the Jet Propulsion Lab. It’s just an interesting story.
No one really knows what happened to him. The other thing that’s weird about this is that other than the general, like no one, NASA, the Air Force, the Los Alamos National Lab, no one has come out to make any kind of…
Like you would think if there was an unexpected death, I mean, someone dies in our hospital, everyone gets some kind of email that’s like, oh, this unexpected death happened, and we’re thinking of them, and here’s information.
But there was nothing from any of these people. That is so weird. So that was the first one.
And then the one that just got connected today is a 2023, and it’s kind of a similar situation. Micheal David Hicks was 59. He had a PhD in lunar and planetary science, and he worked at the Jet Propulsion Lab from 1998 to 2022.
His area of research was physical properties of comets and asteroids. He served on the science teams of the DART project, the Near Earth Asteroid Tracking Project, the Dawn mission, and the NASA Deep Space One mission.
He passed away on July 30th, 2023, at the age of 59. But again, cause of death was never made public. There’s no record of an autopsy ever being performed.
So we can say definitively, neither one of these people had an autopsy done.
Okay.
Like Frank Maiwald, his online memorial did not mention any health issues, and commenters imply that it seemed to happen suddenly. It happened about one year after he left JPL, and no one ever commented on it.
So those two were kind of less interesting, but it’s just like looking back now as you’re tracking. Right.
Yeah, I’m just thinking they had weird attacks. Okay. Well, wouldn’t that be like disclosed?
Yeah, not necessarily.
Somebody’s family be like, yeah, okay, I see. This is all really weird, but these guys just died of heart disease. Yeah.
Yeah. He was in the hospital with sepsis. Right.
Yeah, I agree. I don’t know why someone hasn’t come out to sepsis.
Most are private people.
I guess. But if my name was popping up in the news, if my dad’s name was popping up in the news, I would probably be like, we’re going to release the statement as a family.
Right.
He’s not part of this. Right.
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Other Scientist Deaths
There’s two other scientists that died under odd circumstances, which get looped in with all these other cases, but I think they’re harder to link than all those other ones. Again, the other ones.
Releaser reaches.
Yeah. Okay. The first one is Nuno Loureiro.
Love the name.
He’s Portuguese.
I told you we had a Portuguese guy.
Yeah.
He was a Portuguese plasma physicist, who was the director of the MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center, and a professor of physics. Imagine.
He was reportedly on the verge of a breakthrough in nuclear fusion that could have produced unlimited clean energy and ended fossil fuel dependence as we know it. Oh my gosh.
On December 15th, 2025, he and his wife were making dinner, and his daughters and their grandmother were playing cards. The doorbell rang at 6:30 PM.
What?
Twelve-year-old went to check who it was. She claimed she saw a man in a reflective vest carrying a package. She was not wearing any gloves, so she thought there’s a package being delivered.
How exciting. Her dad sent her inside, and then she heard three to four gunshots.
Oh, my God.
She ran back to the foyer and saw her father lying on the ground. Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
She watched the man get into a car and flee.
Oh, my goodness.
He died early the next morning, and a neighbor had security footage of the suspect vehicle circling several times, and a man in a dark mask or face covering walking on the sidewalk. Oh, my gosh.
I will say that MIT, unlike these other cases, MIT has released statements about this man. Okay.
Were they in Boston during all?
They were. This was in Boston. They were in Brooklyn.
So the reason I find this harder to link is, first of all, it’s a little bit different. MIT, he’s a professor. It’s a little bit different.
He could have maybe, people are like, he could have been involved in some kind of top secret- Energy thing. Like contract or something.
We know Los Alamos National Lab does a lot of energy stuff, but again, this goes back to, I don’t even know if he’s a US citizen. I don’t know if he can carry a secret. You guys seem less impressed about that.
Wait a second. Wait a second. Is he a spy?
No, I’m thinking, was it an angry student?
Well, you are close.
You know what it was?
What?
It was an angry ex-classmate.
Yeah.
Who was? Do you remember the Brown shooting? They think that killer came and shot this guy.
So Oh, hi. Alicia denied any link between this murder and the shooting at Brown University that had happened two days prior that killed two and injured nine.
Oh, my God.
Claudio Manuel Neves-Valente had attended Brown University nearly three decades ago, but dropped out of the PhD physics program. The motive for the Brown shooting was allegedly his own frustration with his failed academic career.
So he ended up, they connected him to this guy, to Loureiro because they had been classmates back in Portugal at one of the most prestigious technical engineering schools.
So people theorize that he resented like this guy is an academic success, right? And Valenti failed out of Brown. Oh my, people are so crazy.
Imagine stalking somebody to the point where you figure out where they fit.
And then when you hear, like it just gets, it just gets weirder because he, Valenti’s body, the shooter, was found on December 18th in a storage facility in New Hampshire with a self-inflicted gunshot wound and video recordings in which he admitted
to the murders but did not provide a motive, only saying he had been planning it for six semesters. Can you imagine hating the world that you’re like for two years, I just like have been thinking about how I’m going to take you all out.
Also just hold on, referring to time and semesters, get a life.
They’ve been in school their whole lives.
Well he hasn’t been in school in decades but right, here’s what he said in his video, okay. I’m not going to apologize because during my lifetime, no one sincerely apologized to me. Oh my gosh, victim.
He said his only objective was to leave more or less on his own terms and to ensure he wouldn’t be the one who ended up suffering the most from all this. He’s like, I don’t feel bad and what is it? Anti-social personality.
I’m indifferent about why I did this, but obviously cared enough to do it. Anyway, again, this guy gets talked about with all these other people, but I’m like, this feels like it’s own separate. Yeah.
We have a modus.
We have.
Yeah. The fact that his daughter found him, that girl is messed up for life.
Well, she opened the door first. Right.
Then her dad was like, just go inside and then she heard the gunshots, and then she found her dad on the floor. That poor little girl. Then the last case that again, I think I have a harder time linking is Jason Thomas, who was 45.
He was the Assistant Director of Chemical Biology at Novartis, which was the eighth largest pharmaceutical company in the world.
Prior to his death, he had been working on potential cancer treatments and had active contracts with the DOD through Novartis. Again, different science, different research. That’s why I have this issue with the connection, but the story is odd.
In November 2025, Jason Thomas, who was an only child, had been by his mother’s side when she passed away in hospice care. An hour later, his father collapsed and died of a heart attack.
Oh my God.
He lost both of his parents within an hour.
Broken hearts. Yeah. What was it?
Takasubo?
Takasubo. His wife said that he’d been having a really hard time coping with this loss. And so they had a rough month.
Then December 12th, the couple went out with friends and they said this is kind of the first time he’d really socialized since his loss, but he was relatively quiet. When they got home, he disappeared, like she didn’t know where he went.
But then she heard the mailbox close and she looked outside and she saw him walking down the street. And so she was like, oh, he must have gone to check the mail. And now he’s going for a walk.
But this was 1153 PM. That’s weird. Why would she let him go?
I’d be like, where are you going? I know. And she’s like, and I made eye contact with him and I never saw him again.
I’m like, that’s crazy. That is so weird. So she tried to call him multiple times between 1153 and 1213 before dozing off.
And then she woke up at 1.30 and was like, he’s still not back. Well, she noted his phone. He’s 47?
45. This is so weird. Did he have a habit of going for walks in the middle of the night?
Come on, lady. She noted his phone and wallet were on the bathroom counter and found his Apple Watch in the mailbox. So when she heard the mailbox close, he put his Apple Watch in.
Oh my God.
Okay.
This is weird. Did they find his body? Yes.
His wife and the police began scouring the area, but despite the use of scent dogs and drones were unable to locate him.
The last area they wanted to search was Lake Quantipout in Wakefield, Mass near his home, but the lake was partially frozen on the night he went missing and remained frozen for the next three months.
So they weren’t able to search the lake until March 17th, 2026 when his body was recovered from the lake and officially no foul play is discovered.
Oh my God.
So do they think he drowned himself? I do feel, I mean, that seems like a terrible way to go, but it does sound like the way he went for a walk at midnight and took off his watch and left it unless he was doing something.
But again, he is not studying any of the same things that these other scientists are studying.
That’s wild.
Okay, hold on. So this man just leaves in the middle of the night and she’s like, he acted kind of weird, but I thought he just wanted to go for a walk. In the middle of the freaking night, he’d been mourning.
And what time of the year is this?
Yeah, it was winter.
That’s weird.
He was like in a reflective state when they were-
Was he even wearing a jacket when she made eye contact?
He was wearing a jacket because he was found in his jacket.
Okay, that’s weird.
That is really weird.
Why would she let him go? Anyway, I think very judgmental towards her, but- Well, I think a lot of these spouses are acting weird though.
They are. It’s easy for us to judge, right? Who are we?
Yeah. How you would respond under what you would- I mean, what does that mean?
Where it’s like me and my best friends after talking shit for 45 minutes.
Who are we to judge?
But who are we to judge?
But, so like he lost his mom and dad in like the same day.
And the wife is like, he really was struggling emotionally.
Yeah. Maybe I would have thought he needed a walk outside. But the middle of the winter-
In the middle of the night, was he drinking?
Could he- Well, she said he went to the bathroom or so he like disappeared. Well, he left, she found his belongings in the bathroom.
I mean, also though, yeah, if they went out, he’s been all depressed, they go out, he’s like in this reflective mood. I don’t know what time they got home.
So they get home like 11.45 and he’s just being like really quiet and then he’s like, think, I mean, obviously didn’t verbalize this to her, but he’s like, I just need some air. Okay.
It is weird that it’s so late, but I mean, I guess he just got home and maybe he’s just like in his feelings.
I would have probably asked him, are you going to go for a walk?
Yeah.
Doesn’t sound like she talked to him.
No, and like making eye contact through the window, but then like you don’t say anything.
It’s weird.
That’s weird. They have like six dogs and she said, he would never have left me in the dog.
Oh my God. Six dogs is crazy. Well, he does.
He did.
Yeah. He left you. So, okay.
Do you think that that’s related to the other ones?
No. No, that sounds like this man was depressed. Yeah.
I mean, it’s weird that he left all his belongings, but it seems like maybe he didn’t want her to track him.
Yeah.
He didn’t want to be found. Yeah.
But the rest are kind of suspicious, right? Okay. The missing people are 100% suspicious.
That is so weird. The guy who got shot on his porch by a random 29-year-old is also very weird. With no motive, that is weird.
It’s suspicious.
There’s something we don’t know.
There’s something we definitely don’t know there. Girl with her friend on a hike who just… I mean, I think that’s weird.
That is so weird. Yeah. So I’m saying every single missing person is weird.
They’re all in the upside down.
And they were all within the past two, three years is all.
Really, I mean, I made it three years because of that last guy we added who just, they looked back.
And so really they were all the past three years.
Yeah, like…
That’s crazy.
Really, like, yeah, like a year and a half. I will say when I look like some of these people, like Chavez, he retired in 2017. The general retired in 2013.
Like, did they really have breaking…
Connections.
Classified information. And his wife did say, It is true that when Neil was in the Air Force, he had access to some highly classified programs and information.
He retired from the Air Force almost 13 years ago and has had only had very commonly held clearances since. It seems quite unlikely he was taken to extract very dated secrets from him. What I’m saying, it sounds like somebody’s like got them.
They’re like Avengers. Yeah, they’re like being assembled. Yeah.
Or they’re all time-grabbing.
They’re being assembled to like go to what start like a war against the aliens?
Well, I don’t know, a war against America, a war against the world. I don’t know. Maybe another aliens took them and they want to know all the information that us, or you think another country is kidnapping them.
Maybe.
To use them to build rockets and stuff.
But why do they need a secretary?
But even if she’s not a scientist like these other people, she had a very high security clearance.
You know what?
You always need a secretary.
Well, but what kind of paper crossed her desk? What information does she in the know about? Or she could be a Felicity Smoke and be an administrative assistant.
Although really smart.
Like Ponies?
I’m sorry. Ponies, the TV show where they’re secretaries that are actually operatives. Right.
Felicity Smoke. Yeah. She’s an administrative.
Is this a Marvel reference?
It always goes back to Marvel.
It’s DC from Arrow on the CW.
Right.
Okay. And she’s like a computer genius, graduated, taught her class from MIT, but her alias is an administrative assistant.
That’s so funny. And she works with the Arrow, the green arrow.
Well, in summation, most of these stories are very weird. I think it’s interesting that again, seven of these are all connected to three labs, which are all involved in space research. That’s interesting.
And it’s interesting to me again, that no one has come like that, you know, Los Alamos National Lab didn’t release a statement like, our employee just vanished. Yeah, that’s weird. And like, they had no comment on it.
Or like NASA has had no comment on like the four people who worked for them. That’s weird. That’s weird.
This is what I think they know.
I think they know about the extraterrestrials.
They know.
Kidnapping their people.
Yeah.
I don’t know, she knows.
So yeah, that’s what we, I can’t really explain the motive behind this, but it is interesting. I think there’s something more to this story. Yes, for sure.
Anyway, extraterrestrials or Russians or upside down.
Or, well, it doesn’t really say that.
Like when they were all wandering off, I was like, I guess kind of what you touched on. Were they exposed to something that caused them to have like a mental issue? Dissociation, yeah.
Like a psychiatric issue or, I mean, we talked all about in the Memorial Day special about like the experiments on military personnel, right? Were they like, maybe I’m experimenting, but were they exposed to something? Like Mercury?
Yeah. So you keep saying, I don’t know. The dark matter?
No. Wait a second. What did Colleen thought they all touched moon rocks?
Yeah.
Dark. Radiation.
Dark matter. And suddenly the gravity pulled them to the dark matter?
Or they start seeing it. You know how like you describe it as like the wind, you see the things move but you don’t see what’s moving them. Suddenly they can see what’s moving them.
Oh my gosh.
That’s crazy.
Do you think they’re in the upside down?
I mean, again, there are so many, they could be in Camazots. That’s the whole thing about Wrinkle in Time. You guys keep looking at me like blank expressions, but her dad was a scientist.
Well, I just don’t get it. Wrinkle in Time, Kait. Yeah, you just don’t get it, Megan.
A Wrinkle in Time. Her dad was a scientist. He disappeared one day, was taken to Camazots, which is in a whole different other dimension.
They had to fly through 2D dimensions, and then they had the fourth dimension, which is time, right?
Is the fourth dimension time.
Anyway, you guys don’t remember this.
I’ve never read this book.
I thought Wrinkle in Time was the worst book I ever read, and that’s when Kait said, you just didn’t get it, Megan. Yeah. This is literally a Wrinkle in Time.
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Yeah, Megan, the people, they should take out their phones right now, text three people who are really into NASA and space exploration, and who would find this mystery very interesting because it is a very interesting mystery.
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Christian, do you hear us?
My brother needs to be safe.
We’re pretty free.
We’ll tell our friends at the NRO to watch their back. Yeah.
Yeah.
We’ll see you next Tuesday.
See you next Tuesday.