Welcome, welcome, welcome back to 3SQHQ.
Three girls, one couch. Yeah. Megan’s couch.
Also called Three Girls, Megan’s Couch.
We’re coming back for part two of the Epstein Files or deeper dive into the files. And I do want to give a shout out to Ian Carroll.
The TikToker?
Yes. Okay. Well, what he did is he started this own AI thing.
So he uploaded all the files into the web.io.
Okay.
And you can pretty much ChatGPT.
Search.
Search just the files, not like the Internet. So you can be like, are there any files that talk about cannibalism?
And fine lines.
Everything. Oh, that’s a good idea. So anyway, the first episode I researched before this came out, second episode I researched with this app, and it was so much easier.
So everyone check that out. Shout out to Ian Carroll. Shout out Ian Carroll.
Links will be in our sources.
But before we get into it, is it time for our drink check?
Drink check.
En route to Megan’s. I did a spinoff adventure, and I took a left instead of a right, and somehow I found myself at a Duncan’s drive-thru.
This is the Bostonian girl.
All roads lead to Duncan’s. I’m drinking an iced coffee just green. Okay.
Oh, that actually sounds really good.
My favorite method.
I am currently drinking a seltzer, just hydrating my kidneys, you know.
And I’m just drinking Diet Coke.
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Yeah, we really do want to be sponsored, DC. So today we’re circling back. Hopefully, you listened to last week’s episode when we kind of recap the Epstein history and kind of got into some of the mysteries.
Today, we’re going to kind of dig deeper into the files and try to answer some of the questions that you guys were asking me last week, Kait and Colleen. Oh, okay.
So just kind of briefly, I will say to the typos and the poor grammar in the files, in the file, because it’s like e-mails.
Oh, I was like, who wrote that?
All these people couldn’t just like string together a complete sentence or a full word.
It’s all like, what do you call it? The texts when you’re texting, it’s like TTYL.
Yeah, but it’s not even that. It’s just like probably old people on a blackberry or something.
That’s so funny.
Made my head hurt to read it. Old people on a blackberry. But you know, that’s true.
I think generally what we can say, like, there’s a lot of statements from victims, and it’s sort of in line with everything that we’ve heard. You know, Epstein was accused of trafficking young women, mostly 11 to 18 years old.
Unlike Diddy, these victims denied that there were any drugs involved. In fact, they said Epstein was, like, sober, and he didn’t do drugs. But I mean, he maybe preyed on some people who did do drugs, but he never gave them drugs.
So this was really just him exercising control over these, like, young women.
Children.
Yeah, children. They talk about how he monitored women’s weight loss, he dangled educational opportunities as rewards, he was verbally and physically abusive, he exercised complete control over their physical appearance, weight, and clothing.
He referred to women as his sex slaves. The women were required to be available to him 24-7 and travel with him whenever he wanted.
No. How many was he, like, controlling at a time?
Like hundreds.
Oh my god.
The women signed NDAs, Epstein and Maxwell made women signed forms making them, Epstein and Maxwell, their health care proxies. Holy shit. Yeah.
There is a lot of-
Oh my god.
That Epstein was just the heinous person that we’ve all come to know him to be, like this kind of confirms all that. But there’s still a lot missing from the files. So we’re going to dive in today to what is going on.
Before we get in, I just want to tell you guys about some of the people facing disciplinary action.
Catherine Rummler, the Chief Legal Officer and General Counsel of Goldman Sachs resigned after emails showed a close relationship and acceptance of expensive gifts. Sultan Ahmed bin Sulaim, who we’ve seen a lot about him, he’s in Dubai.
The Chairman and CEO of DP World left. I think a lot of this was over people getting gifts and money. Tom Pritzker, Executive Chair of Hyatt Hotels, he stepped down because of contact.
Gifts and money, but for what? I think this is like trafficking. I think there are people that might not be.
I think there are probably, we’re going to get to Norway. I think he probably was just like wining and dining them, and it was probably not within what they were permitted to do in their political position.
There’s probably trafficking as well, but I think some of this might really just be like you accepted.
A gift.
A gift, which was maybe not a human. Maybe you just accepted.
Something of high value.
A trip on his private jet to the island, and you’re not allowed because you are…
There’s definitely both things going on.
Brad Karp, who’s the one I told you that they were trying to deport that woman who was making allegations against Leon Black. So he had to step down from his firm.
Peter Mandelson was the former UK ambassador to the US, and he had to resign because there were payments and communications with Epstein. Joanna Rubenstein, the chair of Sweden, the UNHCR.
So she again, she visited Epstein’s island, and they’re like, whether or not you did anything, you shouldn’t have done that. So really, Norway was the first to crack down, by the way. They had a bunch of arrests.
You know Norway always has their shit together. Well, their royal family doesn’t really have their shit together.
But I don’t know which ones they are.
That like married the… The shaman. And then the other one’s stepson is in trouble for like sexual assault.
Yeah, but that’s the royals.
They’re governments.
Fake royal.
Yeah, their governments got their shit together.
Yeah, their governments got their shit together. Morgan McSweeney, the former chief of staff to UK prime minister resigned. So it’s like a lot of resignations, but breaking news, as we started recording, I just got an alert.
Prince Andrew has been arrested. Oh my gosh. I was surprised.
No, but his arrest is more so related to misconduct in the public office because he was sending secret financial information he was supposed to be sending to Epstein.
Okay.
So I think that’s really what he’s in trouble for right now, but we’ll talk more about it.
Definitely going to get him for other stuff.
But we’ll talk about him in a moment. Well, they definitely, that’s why they arrested him, but they want to hold him probably.
It’s like when they got Woody Bolger for tax evasion or some shit like that.
How can we arrest him and then hold him? Yeah. We’ll talk more about Prince Andrew’s arrest in just a moment.
6:57
Epsteinʼs Fortune Clients
Questions from last week. Do you guys remember you kept asking me, how did this guy, I told you he was out of middle to upper class, growing up, like he was certainly not wealthy. Right.
How did he become this millionaire? Right. You guys were asking me.
Yeah. At the time of his death, he was worth about $600 million.
Easily.
And again, there’s a lot of mystery around how he acquired that much wealth. Here’s what we know. The majority of his wealth actually came from just two clients, Les Wexner and Leon Black.
Between 1989 and 2018, these two businesses, Les Wexner’s businesses and Leon Black’s businesses, brought in $800 million in revenue. Guess how much money Epstein collected in fees? $700.
It was $800 million.
He collected at least 50 percent.
Kait’s closer. He collected $490 million.
Wow.
Oh my gosh. For our individual income, it’s like they charge you 1 percent, right? So to be charging 75 percent.
I did, yeah. That’s like money laundering, embezzlement. That seems absurd.
Something else is going on. So he collected $490 million, which is 75 percent of their revenue. And then Epstein became a resident of the Virgin Islands in 1996, which saved him $300 million in taxes from 1999 to 2018.
By becoming a resident there?
Because he was able to hide all his money in the Virgin Islands in a debt-free tax.
At the same time, he earned $360 million in dividends from those companies. So really, these two men is how he got his money.
What were these companies?
I’m so happy you asked. Again, let me tell you about these two men and the businesses, and then we’ll try to put together what we think was maybe going on. Okay.
So the first man, Les Wexner. Les Wexner is testifying this week. Oh, he’s old-looking.
Yeah, he’s being deposed, and I think that one’s going to be private. So Lesley Wexner was the billionaire I touched on last week, who owned The Limited, Abra Crombie, the bodywork.
Oh my God.
Victoria’s Secret. Basically everything that controlled our childhood. Yes.
Any 90s children.
Yep.
We were shopping here in 1987. So again, remember, I told you that he was a high school teacher, he gets fired, then he’s tutoring, he gets recruited to go work at this finance. Yes.
And then we’re like hiring or stealing money. How did this happen? And then he comes out, he’s been fired, he’s been fired from Bear Stearns.
And all of a sudden this guy, Les Wexner, Leslie Wexner, is like, come work for me, manage my $2.5 billion empire. Despite really having no reputation and limited experience.
Right.
In 1991, Wexner granted Epstein power of attorney, effectively giving him authority over his finances, legal matters, properties, trusts, businesses and charitable foundations.
Epstein could sign checks, buy and sell property, and run acquisitions on Wexner’s behalf. Wexner actually bought Epstein’s 45,000 square foot, eight story Manhattan home.
And then the rumor is, we don’t know whether he gifted it to Epstein or if Epstein paid any money for it. But that’s how he got his private jet. And that’s how he got his New York home.
I still don’t understand why this Leslie guy crossed his head.
Yeah.
Was something else happening?
Yeah.
So Wexner was in charge of Victoria’s Secret. They are close personal friends, right? So then Epstein would be like, I recruit models for Victoria’s Secret, come to this hotel room and audition.
So he was really using his influence inappropriately. And people allege that Wexner knew about this in 1993. But he says, I had no idea about any misconduct that Epstein had before.
What everyone says. But the people who worked for him were like, Wexner knew and Wexner did nothing about this. So we all knew he was a predator in 1993.
Per the files, in 2007, Wexner learned that Epstein had stolen or otherwise misappropriated several hundred million dollars from Wexner.
Around that time, Epstein told Wexner that he was having legal problems involving an overly aggressive police chief and some sort of massage.
Oh my God.
This was the Florida investigation that was happening in 2007. Yes. Epstein said he was being blackmailed and it could get messy.
So it would be best for Wexner’s wife to take over the family finances. In response, Wexner’s wife looked into the state of their finances and discovered that Epstein had misappropriated a significant amount of the family’s funds.
For example, Epstein frequently bought property on behalf of the Wexner’s and then sold it to himself for a fraction of the cost.
So the Wexner’s then decided to cut off Epstein and when confronted, Epstein tried to convince Wexner’s wife that she did not understand the financials and insisted that he had the Wexner’s best interest at heart.
They did not want to bring unnecessary public attention to the issue because, again, this whole story here actually that he stole money from Lesley Wexner, no one knew about that till 2019 when he came out and admitted it.
Oh my God.
Like this happened over a decade ago.
Because they were embarrassed?
Maybe. Again, we’ll talk about all that. So they withdrew the power of attorney and they hired counsel to negotiate a private settlement with Epstein and as a result, he agreed to return $100 million to the Wexner’s, which he did in January of 2008.
So Lesley’s like, we never spoke after that, but not true. In 2009, Wexner sent an e-mail to Epstein, saying, quote, Abigail, that was his wife, told me the response. All I can say is I feel sorry.
You violated your number one rule. Always be careful.
Oh, what the? Yeah.
Epstein replied, no excuse. In another e-mail, when Wexner declined to see Epstein, Epstein wrote that this was unsatisfactory, but understands the decision because of his, quote, bad judgment with women.
So, so far we have not found any proof, proof in the files that Wexner was involved in Epstein’s deeds, but their relationship does leave a lot of unanswered questions.
When they deposed Epstein, they kind of inferred that maybe they were in a sexual relationship.
Him and Wexner?
Yep. So, that’s one theory. I don’t think, I don’t think that’s…
No, I think they were together doing things, but not that.
Yeah.
In the files, there is a redacted source who claims, quote, Epstein earned his money from having sex with Wexner, end quote. But again, remember, I told you, anyone can submit any tip. It shows up, it does not mean it’s verified.
Right.
Another theory, were they involved in the same dirty deeds?
Maybe. Les Wexner is being deposed before the US House of Representatives, and he also faces a subpoena to testify in the lawsuit against Ohio State University by former student athletes who were sexually abused by former OSU team Dr.
Richard Strauss, and his one-time Abercrombie and Fitch CEO Mike Jeffries also face sex trafficking and assault allegations. So either this man just chooses terrible company or he’s involved. Or he’s just the same thing.
Like Wexner chooses terrible company?
Yeah.
Les Wexner is surrounded by all these other predators.
Right. Okay. And how do we not have proof on him?
In an email to Wexner, Epstein wrote, he did nothing but protect Les Wexner’s interests, and that the two each owe each other great debts, mentioning the two were involved in quote, wait for it, gang stuff.
Gang stuff?
Right.
More than 15 years. What does that mean?
Yeah.
What does that mean? Epstein also wrote about an argument with Les Wexner’s wife, Abigail, where she made quote, very unfair, aggressive and false accusations, end quote.
Epstein wrote, he didn’t fully answer Abigail Wexner because it would violate a confidence between the two men. Epstein also wrote, he would never put Les Wexner in harm’s way.
Epstein suggested that Les Wexner stay silent if Abigail Wexner questions him. We don’t know what we don’t know, Epstein said.
You don’t know what you don’t know. What is that from?
Hamilton.
There we go.
So that’s Les Wexner.
Les Wexner.
Les Wex.
That sounds like such a villain name.
So that’s the first person who hired him, hired this nobody who had just been fired from Bear Stearns with no other real experience to manage his 2.5 billion dollar empire, and that’s where he got a lot of his money.
His other big client was Leon Black, who we also touched on last week because this is the guy I told you owns Apollo, which owns Shutterfly, which owns Life Touch, which takes your kid’s pictures.
Yes.
You call her? We have proof proof that Leon Black was a terrible person.
Oh my god, this guy looks awful.
The relationship began around 1997. Black paid Epstein approximately 158 million dollars between 2012 and 2017 for tax and estate planning services, and he paid him on a quote ad hoc basis without negotiating written service agreements.
The pay was disproportionate to what he paid other professionals, and the Senate Finance Committee actually investigated him from 2022 to 2023 to see if there was a tax scam happening.
These files indicate at least four victims, one of whom was a minor, accused him of violent rapes, including biting and sexual violence.
They allege that these assaults all happened in Epstein’s homes, and the victims say they were trafficked by Colleen and or Epstein. These two people, I mean, I think there’s more kind of proof against him.
So we know who gave him most of his money, but why? Again, this is the question, right? Why did they give him so much money?
That’s what you’re-
Because we think he’s doing something else.
15:44
Blackmail Asset Theory
Okay, so also, in addition to providing the service he might be getting paid for, right?
We also touched on this theory last week that maybe he was blackmailing people.
Because he’s filming everything.
He had extensive security in all his properties with hidden cameras, including in bathrooms and bedrooms that automatically saved. Remember that I told you, there were computers and hard drives missing when search warrants were executed in full time.
Because to save all that data, they must have so much hard drives.
Well, when they looked at his Palm Springs home, they found six removed hard drives with wires still dangling. Like someone got kicked off. I race in, they remove these hard drives.
So I wrote, sir, which is, I hear you in my head. Sir, there are multiple victims who report that he videotaped their encounters with powerful people and then debriefed with the women after.
So the important people who were listed as alleged people who were videotaped assaulting women, okay, include Governor Bill Richardson, Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, who was his lawyer, Senator George Mitchell, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud
Barak, Les Wexner, Ghislaine Maxwell, Glenn Dubin and a Nobel Prize-winning scientist from Harvard. Email from redacted names at the US.
Attorney’s Office to other people within the office and the FBI said, quote, These allegations are consistent with information received during our investigation that Epstein made millions by getting dirt on important people and blackmailing them.
Which then also goes to how do you get away with it, Jocelyn? Well, if he had information to blackmail high-powered politicians in law enforcement, that’s how he got away with it, Jocelyn. That’s how he got the sweet deal.
He also seems like he’s always getting involved in people’s drama and mediating for them or loaning the money, just overly involved in their issues. So a couple of examples I have for you here.
There is a back and forth between Epstein and Wall Street attorney Brad Karp trying to handle the woman who is being problematic for Leon Black.
So someone who is making accusations against him, that was the second guy I told you about, Epstein is e-mailing with this lawyer about maybe getting her arrested or having her visa revoked. Karp, the lawyer says, both good ideas will work on this.
Then they surveilled her. Karp and Epstein surveilled this girl who all she was trying to do was, I mean, all she was trying to do, she was a victim. She’s trying to bring attention to it and now they’re like, how can we take her down?
Edmund de Roschild is a Swiss bank. They were in trouble for helping Americans avoid taxes by letting them hide their money over there. We’ve talked about that in the past.
So they reached out to Epstein to broker a settlement with the Department of Justice. Why are you reaching out to Epstein? You should get a lawyer, right?
Right. Like who, you just reach out to this random guy and you’re like, we need your help. So Epstein actually brokers a settlement with the Department of Justice and the bank for 45.5 million.
What?
Then he says in this e-mail, he’s like, and then you owe this other person $10 million for her assistance and you owe me 25 million and they say, great, we’re so happy that this is behind us.
I don’t understand.
Exactly.
That is the point Colleen, this is like, none of this makes sense that like, why is this random guy involved?
There’s a layer we just don’t have access to.
In 2010, Bill Gates, who was in his 50s, had an affair with a 20-year-old Russian bridge player, which I caught. I also love, I didn’t know that could be like your career. I’m a Russian bridge player.
She was like couch surfing, she didn’t have any money, and Epstein’s like, this is how you treat your mistress. So Epstein paid for her to go to coding school.
Oh my god.
And then later on, we’re going to talk about their relationship, but when Bill Gates stopped responding to Epstein, Epstein emailed him asking to be reimbursed, which a Gates spokesperson alleges was his hint that like, I have, I will blackmail you.
If you don’t help me out, I paid for your mistress to go to coding school. I’ve got that to hold over your head. I can reveal.
Yeah.
Bill Gates is rich because of Microsoft?
Yes. Before we had Steve Jobs, before we had Bill Gates. And then Sarah Ferguson, we’re going to talk about Sarah Ferguson as the ex-wife of Prince Andrew.
Okay.
Fergie. Yeah.
Not F to the E to the R. Not Fergalicious. She’s always had a lot of drama and she’s always had a lot of financial issues.
Okay. This is like well known about her. And she’s always getting busted trying to get money.
So she owed her personal assistant $126,721 in wages and promised tuition assistance. There’s this famous picture of Prince Andrew and Epstein walking through Central Park in 2010.
And the theory is that in that image, they’re discussing this problem. And so then Epstein actually brokered a deal with her personal assistant and paid him $60,000 to drop the whole thing.
Again, it just is like, why are you involved in all these people’s drops? Yeah, he’s definitely blackmailing people. Yeah, is he helping them out?
So then he’s like, I got something on you later. I have this thought that like, could he have been? Again, so I think we all agree at a minimum, he’s definitely gaining some power by providing the service and then blackmailing people.
Would you guys agree with that?
Yeah.
Okay. Then the side theory is that maybe he was a government asset or a spy. First.
Yes. There’s one video floated on Instagram that’s like a former CIA guy.
He’s a whistleblower and he’s like, okay, if you want to get the information on all the big people, the important people, you aren’t going to go be like, Prince Andrew, we want you to be a spy. You’re going to find someone who has access.
If you have to provide them money and power to get them access to important people, that’s what you’re going to do and your whole plan is to make them an asset, who can then get the intel from all these presidents, former presidents, whatever.
Well, I told you last week about the Ponzi scheme. He was involved in a fresh out of Bear Stearns. The business partner that he had, who I told you was like, we were looking for an unethical guy and this guy fit the bill.
Yeah. That guy went to jail for this Ponzi scheme. Epstein, who was just an involved, never served time, never was punished for this Ponzi scheme.
Of course.
He never was truly punished in Florida.
Yeah. The first time he was arrested. Correct.
We know he met at least three times with the director of the CIA in 2014.
He told friends that he was an intelligence asset, the FBI closed a forfeiture proceeding against Epstein, noting, quote, Epstein has provided information to the FBI as agreed upon, end quote.
And he has a lot of meetings and connections with political leaders of the US and internationally. So this whole like Epstein is a spy at first, I’m like, that is so out there, that’s crazy.
And then when you think about it, it actually isn’t as crazy as you thought.
They’re covering, like the government is covering for him. Yes.
And are they covering for him because he’s an asset, or are they covering for him because he is failing people within the government? Right?
That was the question.
Both make sense. Yeah. Right.
Both of these things could be true. Yeah.
At the same time, too.
Yeah. At the same time. Yeah.
My question is, is this why they didn’t want the files to come out? Because they thought-
Most definitely.
Because, but I mean, he also was sex trafficking. Yeah. Like, confirmed of pedophilia rings.
And there’s a lot of names.
Well, yeah.
And if he was a spy, did the government know that?
Well, also we only have a quarter of the information, right? Like we talked about this last episode. There’s-
Well, like half has been released, a lot of it has been redacted.
Yes.
Yeah.
So we don’t- These files that are supposed to be this like-
All reveal all, yeah.
Not very transparent. There’s just like more questions.
Yeah.
Another question I had, there were some questions within the files referencing children that he might have had. So then I’m like-
Oh, like fathered.
Yeah. Wait. Like Epstein, Epstein have kids.
Also, if he’s having this much sex, he’s not having-
He’s definitely having children.
Well, abortions. He’s having people have abortions. Or would he be like-
My children are the end all be all.
I have good genetics because whatever.
So in 2011, there is this back and forth with Sarah Ferguson. Sarah Ferguson congratulates Epstein on his baby. She says, quote, heard from the Duke, that’s Prince Andrew, heard from the Duke that you have had a baby boy.
Congratulations on your baby boy. And I’m like, who is this baby boy?
Yeah, because it’s not public knowledge that he has children.
No, as far as we know, he has no children. There were no children left anything in his…
He wasn’t even married.
No, he had his girlfriend that he had given a promise ring to, but he was not married. Yes, the promise ring. The 33-carat promise ring.
An anonymous victim claims that when she was 17 in 2002, she fathered a child and that Colleen took the child after its birth and her diary was included in the files.
There’s also reports that indicate Epstein and Maxwell were planning to go through fertility treatments together.
Virginia Roberts, she was one of the big whistleblowers, the big victims, and then she ended up saying she was not suicidal and then she died by suicide.
Oh my God.
Which is why all these people now are writing on their Instagram.
They’re like, If I die, I am not.
She claimed that Epstein and Maxwell wanted her to be a surrogate and they were going to trade her.
They said they would send her to massage school in Thailand if she would be a surrogate and they sent her to Thailand and then she met a man and she escaped to Australia and that’s how she got away from them.
But she claimed that they wanted her to be a surrogate.
We don’t really have any other evidence that he fathered a child, but as I dug through files using Ian Carroll’s app, there was a sperm storage agreement with California Cryobank, signed in 2016, and there was a drafted surrogate agreement with a
woman and emails asking people if they knew of any surrogates. So there was a lot of like back and forth, like maybe this was a real thing he was trying to set up.
We know that he underwent genetic screening, semen analysis, and STD testing as part of a fertility, workup.
From the files, on multiple occasions starting in the early 2000s, Epstein told scientists and businessmen about his ambitions to use his New Mexico ranch as a base where women could be inseminated with his sperm and would give birth to his babies.
How many women? I’m so happy you asked. His goal was to have 20 women at a time impregnated.
Oh my God. Also, I’m thinking we talk a lot about Epstein Island and New York and we’ve talked about the farm. We have not really been talking very much about this New Mexico compound.
I’m like, what’s happening here? One of the scientists said Epstein divulged his idea in 2001 at a dinner. The other recalled discussing it with him at a 2006 conference that he hosted in St.
Thomas in the Virgin Islands. The idea struck all three as far-fetched and disturbing. Then once a scientist said that Epstein had told him his goal was to have 20 women at a time impregnated at the New Mexico compound.
That is crazy.
No proof proof that there are children, but he certainly had a plan and a vision and was very into eugenics and I would not be surprised if we find out there are little mini Epstein’s running around out there.
That’s crazy.
Did the farm actually happen or it was just him talking about it? Or we don’t know.
Well, we don’t know. We don’t have the best proof we have is like him telling the emails different Asians that he wanted to do this. Right.
But like we don’t really have evidence that it happened.
This guy is weird.
Yeah. I’m even more convinced that he didn’t die by suicide.
He had plans.
26:32
Prince Andrew Royals
So let’s talk about Prince Andrew.
So in 2014, Virginia Roberts claimed that she was trafficked and had sex with Andrew on three separate occasions, including once in 2001 in London when she was 17, once in New York City and once at Little St. James. This was all out before the files.
This has been going on for a year. She was one of the original whistleblowers. At a minimum, we have proof proof that Virginia and Andrew were in these locations together at the time of these accusations.
So we have photographic evidence and we have flight logs. So we do know these were situations in which they were together, but Andrew was denied and he was like, those photos are fake.
She claims Epstein paid her $15,000 to have sex with Prince Andrew in London.
In 2022, Andrew and Virginia reached an out-of-court settlement for what is said to be $16.3 million, including a donation to Virginia’s charity supporting victims’ rights, and Andrew did not have to admit guilt.
Multiple witnesses either corroborate aspects of the story or invoke the Fifth Amendment when questioned about his involvement.
So Prince Andrew still claims he never met this girl, he knows nothing about her, but I don’t feel like people just write checks for $16 million. Oh, reason. No, no way.
And what he’s even in even more trouble for is about half of that payment came from the Queen. RIP, rest her soul. Oh my gosh.
My God, if I look for the Royals.
Oh, messy.
These rumors have been circulating about this connection to Epstein. So he did a BBC interview in November 2019, Prince Andrew trying to clear his name, but it was just a massive, massive debacle. Yes, he just dug himself a deeper hole.
As a result, he withdrew from public roles in 2020 and was stripped of his royal titles in 2025.
Other images that showed up in the files include pictures of Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, and Ghislaine Maxwell at the 18th birthday of Princess Beatrice. Oh, no. At the Royal Lodge, which was his royal home that he’s now been forced to leave.
This was two months after Epstein’s arrest warrant was issued in the US. But again, this is when people are like, we didn’t know, but like, you didn’t know. Right.
So we have no evidence anything happened at this party, but would you want this guy around your kids enough? There were several suspicious messages days after Epstein’s house arrest ended.
Epstein offered to arrange for Andrew to have dinner with, quote, a clever, beautiful, and trustworthy 26-year-old Russian woman.
Right.
Andrew responded that he would be delighted. Disgusting.
That is.
He sent Epstein Christmas cards with photos of his daughters in 2011 and 2012. What? Would you send pictures of your child bike riding and like-
No.
And like-
To a known pedophile? But again, most of this information is all old. This is not new news.
The big reveal from the file pertains to Prince Andrew’s time as the UK’s special representative for international trade and investment from 2001 to 2011.
There were allegations that he was sharing confidential trade information with his buddy, Jeffrey Epstein. He was forwarding confidential reports within minutes of receiving them.
He forwarded summaries from official trade envoy trips to Singapore, Vietnam, China and Hong Kong to Epstein in 2010, as well as a confidential briefing on investment opportunities related to Afghanistan’s reconstruction sent on Christmas Eve 2010.
This is an issue because official secrets act of 1911 and 1989 criminalize improper disclosure of protected state information, and the trade envoys are expected to keep commercial, political and sensitive information confidential.
King Charles III has offered to support police in the matter. It sounds like the Royals are circling the waggots around Eugenie and Beatrice, but Princesses, but Sarah and Andrea were kind of SOL right now. And now, Andrew’s in jail apparently.
So a couple other big people who were in the files, Sarah Ferguson. Fergie.
We know from the files that two days after he was released from prison, he paid for Sarah Ferguson and her two daughters to fly from Heathrow to Miami, and then from New York back to Heathrow.
He paid $9,244.16 for her business class seat, and 19-year-old Eugenie and 20-year-old Beatrice flew an economy for $4,835.94. That feels like a really expensive seat.
Yeah.
As opposed to other emails in the files where we see plans for hangouts but then nothing comes of it, like there’s a lot of that in the files, we know from the email traffic that this trip did occur.
And it sounds like the purpose was she wanted Epstein to invest in her women’s empowerment brand called Mother’s Army.
It was a company and personal brand with the mission to help amplify the voices of mothers all over the world to tackle some of the tougher issues facing young people and families.
It was ironic, given that he was released from jail two days prior for pedophilia. And now she’s like, why don’t you help me with this women’s empowerment business I’m starting, right?
She was going to be the face of the business and he was going to be the majority owner with 51% equity and Sarah would earn a $250,000 a year salary. Again, Sarah Ferguson’s always just trying to make some money because she’s broke.
There were also a lot of email exchanges where she signed love Sarah and saying things like, thank you for being the brother I’ve always wished for. And I’m at your service, marry me.
This is The Epstein or Andrew?
The Epstein. She called him my dear spectacular and special friend.
Oh no.
Calling him a legend and saying she was so proud of him.
Oh no.
And again, all of this is after he was known to be a pedophile. So all these people who were like, again, her being like- Still kissing up to him.
Yes.
No.
In 2010, she emailed him asking about employment and he promised to come to London in the coming weeks to discuss saying, I have never let you down.
They also just had a lot of odd conversations like in 2010, Epstein asked Sarah Ferguson if she wanted to visit New York. And she said, quote, not sure yet. Just waiting for Eugenie to come back from a shagging weekend, end quote.
Oh, Eugenie was 19.
Oh no.
Just it’s like a weird thing to say. Can you imagine if your parents were like, I’ll have to check in with my daughter because she’s off on a shagging weekend with her boyfriend. Yeah, I know.
Is that like a saying in British slang though?
Like- Shagging?
Oh, like you’re making it less sketchy.
Yeah.
You want to give the men for the doubt except-
I don’t know.
There also is a side story where he was dating this woman, Eva Dubin, who was Miss Sweden. They dated for like a decade. She ended up marrying a different billionaire and had this daughter Selena and Epstein was weirdly obsessed with her.
And he’s talking about how he wanted to marry her. When he got off house arrest, Eva messaged, hi, come and visit next weekend. Selena will have five friends over, end quote.
That’s like a weird thing to say to a pedophile who just got released. And now it’s like, come on over, my daughter and her five friends are here. Yeah, that’s weird.
That’s weird.
And there’s rumors like he helped her get into Harvard Medical School, and he used to visit her at school and watch her games when she was in high school.
And he named her a beneficiary of his trust, but she actually signed a renunciation, disclaim reform. She never claimed from him. But it’s like people are allowing Epstein to have odd relationships with their-
With their kids?
Children.
Yeah.
That’s crazy.
These kids are like 17, 18, 19. That’s still- It’s still creepy.
It’s still really weird.
And this is all after knowing what he’s done.
Exactly. Yes.
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Other Connections Exposed
Richard Branson. You guys know who Richard Branson is?
No.
He’s the British billionaire and founder of the Virgin Group. He has his own private- Virgin music, Virgin.
Oh my gosh. In 2013, he had an email exchange the day after meeting Epstein. An email from Epstein to Branson said, Nice seeing you.
Thanks for your hospitality. I appreciate your public relations thoughts. Apparently, it was Branson who encouraged Epstein to team up with Bill Gates to clean up his image, but more on that in a second.
We’re talking about Bill Gates. Branson responded, It was really nice seeing you yesterday. The boys in water sports can’t stop speaking about it.
Anytime you’re in the area, would love to see you as long as you bring your harem. Now, he alleges Epstein had three female employees, and that’s what Epstein would call them like my harem. So he was just-
No.
No. No.
He said, I think if Bill Gates is willing to say that you’ve been a brilliant advisor to him, that you slipped up many years ago by sleeping with a 17 and a half year old woman and were punished for it, that you’ve more than learned your lesson and
have done nothing that’s against the law since. Yes, as a single man, you seem to have a penchant for women. But there’s nothing wrong with that. Anyway, something along those lines.
So this is like advice Branson is giving Epstein about how he can kind of rehab his image. We know that Epstein went to Branson’s private island.
We don’t have proof that Branson was at Epstein’s private island, but Branson was in his New York City home. They’ve claimed that Epstein tried to make a donation at Branson’s charity in late 2013.
And when he did that, they did a background check on him and they realized really what a shitty person he was and then they declined the donation and cut all ties with him. That’s Richard Branson’s version of this. Sure.
All right. Have you guys been hearing about Bill Gates? A little bit.
Yes.
What did you guys hear about Bill Gates?
That he’s in the files.
Yeah.
Okay.
That’s what I’ve heard.
Well, is that all you’ve heard?
He’s involved.
Pictures. He’s in lots of pictures. Okay, girl.
Brace yourself for what is skis Bill Gates is.
Well, I feel like we knew that.
Yeah. Bill Gates has always maintained that he did not have a friendship with Epstein, right? That they were involved in philanthropy.
Oh, philanthropy.
That’s what we’re calling it nowadays.
But he says, their relationship started in 2011. So without knowing anything else, already not a good look, sir, because 2011 is already after everyone knows Epstein.
They first met over dinner at Epstein’s in New York, and after the meeting, Gates emailed a friend, quote, a very attractive Swedish woman and her daughter dropped by, and I ended up staying there quite late.
His lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing, although it would not work for me, end quote. Oh, it would not work for me. We have photos of Epstein’s victims posing with Gates in his office.
In Epstein’s New York City home and at the Four Seasons. So yeah, like you said, Kate, photos of him. Yeah.
Now, do you remember? Because the deal was that Bill Gates did have a really squeaky clean reputation for a while. A long time.
Yeah. And then he got in trouble for like preying on his employees.
And it too.
That was like he met Melinda Gates when she was working for him, and everyone thought that was so cute. But then in retrospect, after me too, I find out that he’s like preying on all these women, like not as cute.
There’s photos of Gates with Epstein’s personal pilot and with Prince Andrew. So it seems like Epstein and Gates had regular meetings until 2014 and took at least one flight in his jet in 2013.
Exchanges between Epstein and mutual friends of Gates indicate the gate misses Epstein but that Melinda won’t let him talk to Epstein, which Melinda has said she’s come out and been like, the whole recent part of the divorce was not Epstein, but it
It actually played a role, yeah.
Full disclosure, the things that are really getting people buzzing about Bill Gates and Epstein from these files actually comes from two draft emails that Epstein sent to himself.
So we don’t know that he ever sent these to Bill Gates, that Bill Gates received them. But what he wrote is, You have told me that Melinda insists on me not communicating with you unless Larry is copied or present.
To add insult to injury, you then implore me to please delete the emails regarding your STD, your request that I provide you antibiotics that you can surreptitiously give to Melinda, and the description of your penis.
Oh.
The writer also referenced a redacted topic that must remain between the two of us. So this is why everyone’s all hot.
Like, everyone’s like, this guy was supposed to be like helping with the pandemic, and this guy’s putting like doxy in his wife’s coffee to cover up that he’s sleeping around on her.
Oh my god.
That’s skeezing. Wait, I’m sorry.
These are drafts from Bill to Epstein or Epstein to Bill?
Bill.
Okay.
So unconfirmed whether it actually made it to Bill. A second email alleged that Gates asked the writer to participate, quote, in things that have ranged from the morally inappropriate to the ethically unsound. Oh my god.
And were repeatedly asked to do things that get near and potentially over the line into the illegal from helping Bill to get drugs in order to deal with consequences of sex with Russian girls, to facilitating his illicit trysts with married women, to
being asked to provide Adderall for bridge tournaments. I feel I owe it to my friends and future colleagues to admit a moral failure to ask forgiveness and to move on with my life.
Whoa.
So that is from an email that Epstein wrote himself. Yes. But one of the theories is that he might have been helping his friend write a resignation letter.
So like those allegations about me having to give you Adderall and whatnot, he might have not actually asked Epstein to do that. He might have asked their mutual friend to do that.
And then this was Epstein helping this mutual friend.
Yes, because Epstein is always involved in everybody’s. And later on, Bill Gates emails him and was like, thanks for helping to broker that severance for me with my employee. Again, why does Bill Gates need Epstein to help him work on a severance?
That is so weird. This is so weird. So Elon Musk is interesting because, I don’t know, it’s so weird.
I’m confirmed.
It’s like Elon said that Epstein reached out to him.
This is what I have heard. And then Elon was like, I knew who he was and I turned him down. Like I don’t want to be, but I didn’t look further into it.
It seemed like Epstein was really pursuing a friendship with Elon Musk, but also Elon Musk just comes off as like the nerdy guy and all this.
So the email show, Epstein repeatedly inviting Musk to his island trying to arrange meetings, while Musk’s response are often brief and focused on his business obligations.
Musk told Vanity Fair in 2018 that Epstein was obviously a creep and that Epstein had tried repeatedly to get him to visit the island.
And again, it doesn’t seem like from the emails, there’s a lot of talk about going to the island, but it doesn’t sound like it ever happens. It sounds like he keeps canceling. It’s like allegedly.
That’s what he said. And I think in this 2019 interview, that’s when he said like, I knew he was bad news. I wasn’t going to.
Well, don’t let Elon pretend like he’s that innocent, because let me tell you some of the gross things he emailed. Yeah. Oh, I’m sure he emailed some stuff.
That’s what I saw. There are sketchy emails where Musk is talking about being ready to party. In November 2013, Epstein invited Elon to join him and Woody Allen in the Caribbean.
And it does appear that they did go on that trip. But we have no other details about the trip.
No, not Woody Allen.
Yeah.
Yeah. Woody Allen’s gross.
Yeah. I’m thinking of Woody Allen.
No, no, no, no.
Mary stopped a daughter.
Unknown creep. Yeah.
They had plans to do it again the next winter, unclear if it ever happened. There’s a super awkward exchange in which Epstein says… Oh, it’s always awkward with Elon Musk.
Elon is always awkward. So Epstein emails Elon and says, Any plans for NY? The opening of the General Assembly has many interesting people coming to the house.
Musk writes, I lead and run project design for two complicated companies. Fly into New York to see UN diplomats do nothing would be an unwise use of my time. And Epstein replies, do you think I’m retarded?
Just kidding. There is no one over 25 and all very cute. Like, I feel like it’s like Elon couldn’t get the code, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Elon is like, he’s too literal. Back to Trump.
Which he’s Asperger, which is how I, I mean, honestly, probably how I’d be if I’d be getting these emails too, right? But like, so I feel like he’s like, he’d be like, no, I don’t want to eat pizza.
That might be why nothing came of this because he couldn’t like, he couldn’t. Oh my God.
Epstein’s like, I’m not going to write out that I’m sex trafficking you, I’m in for you.
Yeah, they’re in my God. Lutnick, the US Secretary of Commerce, he’s just in trouble because he lived next door to Epstein, and he claims that he went over there one time in 2005 and got a tour of the house.
And when they left, his wife said, I will never be in the room with that disgusting person again.
Good for her.
But then they visited with their children in the island in 2012. So-
Oh, come on.
2012? Yeah. Do you know about the New York Giants owner, Steve Tisch?
Know who he is?
Okay.
Well, I know who he is.
Steve Tisch?
Yeah. So Steve Tisch is the New York Giants co-owner. So there’s a 2013 email exchange with him and Epstein discussing multiple women.
They discussed a Ukrainian girl that Tisch had met at Epstein’s house. Tisch asked if she was a quote, pro or civilian, to which Epstein said, I don’t like records of these conversations.
Oh.
In another email exchange discussing a different woman, Tisch asked, is she fun? And Epstein said, she was a civilian, but Russian and rarely tells the truth, but is fun.
Oh, okay.
We know the couple met up because Epstein emailed him back that she’s a little freaked out about the age difference. Go slow. Epstein also appeared to set Tisch up with a college girl.
She wasn’t able to like travel a lot to see him. In a statement, Tisch said that he and Epstein had a brief association where we exchanged emails about adult women and in addition, we discussed movies, philanthropy and investments.
I did not take him up on any of his invitations and never went to his island. As we all know now, he was a terrible person and someone I deeply regret associating with, but the emails are like not a good look between the two of them.
Jess Staley, who was the former JP Morgan exec. JP Morgan from the Titanic.
Oh my God.
Well, there’s a lot of JP Morganism. There’s a lot of email traffic between the JP Morgan employees about Epstein. But the thought is like that everyone knew and he had so much money invested.
You know, the other way.
Yeah.
So Jane Doe alleges that Epstein gave Staley permission to do what he wanted to her and that she was assaulted. In July 2010, Staley emailed Epstein, that was fun, say hi to Snow White. Epstein responded.
No.
What character would you like next?
And Staley responded, Beauty and the Beast.
Oh, no.
And finally, again, there are so many more people we could talk about. I think at some point we’re going to have to, we need a break from this, but at some point we’ll have to do like ditty style and circle back and do updates.
Right.
And then finally, we’ll wrap up with Bill Clinton. So we have long known that Bill Clinton actually were buddies in the 90s and early 2000s. Right.
Epstein made multiple visits to the White House. Now, the Clinton line has always been like, we used his plane for our philanthropic events.
And their famous trip to Africa included Bill Clinton, his staff and Secret Service, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Jeffrey Epstein. So that’s always been the story.
Like, I just used his plane to do philanthropy and that’s the end of our relationship.
My God.
They had an email correspondence for years and Epstein had 21 numbers for him and his personal phone. Remember, Ghislaine was at Chelsea’s wedding. Ghislaine wrote, Sorry to hear that the Bellsburg stuff is bad.
I could not help myself. There was one juicy little tidbit I did let out. The one about what a super stud you are and how I have a crush on you and how you are hung like a horse.
And well, you get the picture. Hope you don’t mind. Virginia, she claimed that she saw Clinton at the island, but she never saw him do anything illegal.
But other people are like Clinton was never ever there. Have you seen the hot tub photos? Oh, God.
It’s Bill Clinton in a hot tub with like a young girl swimming.
Oh, no.
No. Anyway, there is no proof proof in the Epstein Files that we have, like Bill Clinton was involved in a trafficking, but we do know that he flew on Epstein’s private plane at least 16 times between 2002 and 2003.
We have no evidence that he visited the island based on flight records or public testimony. There are some eyewitness reports, but we have nothing else to corroborate that.
And the Secret Service says that they have never been there, and they would have to be there if Clinton was there. Hillary says she never even met Epstein. And so the Clintons are going to be testifying, I think, next week.
They are.
And it’s going to be public.
Yep. So that’s going to be like our Super Bowl, you know?
Yes, I cannot wait.
So that is what I have. I know, that was information overload. It is so, again, it’s just so much, and it’s so convoluted, and there’s so much information online, and you’re like, what is true?
What is not true? That’s the hardest part, I think, for me, is like sourcing through the information. Well, the only way you can figure out what is true, what is not true, is to actually look at the files yourself and who…
But the files are so confusing…
.
do billions of files, and then you have, and then you’re like, things are in code, right? Right.
And it’s like, redacted.
And then you’re trying to figure out, who could he have written this email to, because it’s exactly, it’s redacted. So it is, which is, I mean, was that their plan? Was that their just like, let’s…
Make him more confused, so then people stop questioning.
Right.
There’s a meme I posted that is like, for Mean Girls, when Regina George just like throws the burn book. Oh yeah. And everyone goes crazy.
Like that’s pretty much us right now. Like the DOJ was Regina George.
Here, take the files.
Yeah. And then the rest of us are all just like going crazy. Yeah.
Understand what is happening.
Right. Raise your hand if you’ve been personally victimized by Epstein.
What? Okay. And honestly, like this is something that…
You talked about this last podcast, but it’s like even if you’re mentioned in the Epstein Files, doesn’t mean you’re guilty by anything. It’s just…
Because everything’s included. Everything is included.
Right. So like, I think a lot of people are… You talked about this last time, but I think a lot of people are just seeing that these names are mentioned.
And then immediately they’re like, he’s in the Epstein Files. And you’re like, yes, but it was a completely innocent thing that happened. I think, too, that…
I mean, it is horrific. And I said, the more I research, the more I’m like, maybe there is something to this government asset theory, because how did he get away with so much?
But then you have these side things about cannibalism and ritual, and I’m like, I feel like, is it almost like Pizzagate? Are people like, if we just throw so much stuff out there that is so ridiculous, no one will believe any of it?
And people are jumping to crazy conclusions. I’m like, there’s enough actual proof of terrible things happening without inventing all this other stuff. Right.
Also, I think people are just creating memes, and instead of being like, wait, is this real? Let’s fact check this. It’s just suddenly becomes fact, which I think happens a lot on the internet in general.
But it’s just like, what do you believe? That’s like, yeah. Yep.
I, for one, am ready to giggle with you guys next week.
Yep. Okay.
I feel like it’s been too heavy weeks. It’s been draining for me to research this, and it’s not been particularly, it’s been eye-opening, but not particularly fun for us to record. So, sorry for all the people that thinks we’re being too…
We’re too jovial. Jovial. So, we’re going to come back next week.
We’ve got a famous guest joining us.
Oh my gosh.
So, tune in and find out who that is.
We’re excited to have you.
And maybe we will circle back on this after we’ve had a break from it.
Yeah.
I know. Yeah.
I just think it’s disgusting and horrific.
It’s disgusting and overwhelming and just horrific. I think too, like, if a decade ago, not even a decade, less than that, but if someone had said that this kind of thing was happening, I would, I think that is so out there.
And now we have Diddy and we have Epstein. And it’s like, there is this whole disgusting underbelly that we just don’t know about. All right.
Well, that’s why all those memes are out there, is like the conspiracy theorists, like, being like…
Duh.
Told, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. But it’s like, all this better be fucking worth it.
People better go down. Yeah, right. And actually go down.
Right.
The Dow.
Yeah.
Well, if we take everyone down, then there will be no one left to run the country.
Restart the fucking country.
Again.
Yeah.
Drain the swamp. But yeah, no, that’s, I think that’s the whole point, right? Especially like the conspiracy theorists out there, like a bunch of corrupt individuals run the country.
Pam Bondi says, well, if we take everyone out, there’s no one else to run the country. Exactly. You just proved our point.
Yeah.
I also just hope the victims find justice through all this and not more.
Yeah.
I mean, it’s looking angry.
Again, you think about these people 20 years ago.
That have been sitting on this because they couldn’t speak up.
And who have been violated by law enforcement for two decades, like screwed over in Florida, screwed over with the plea deal.
I didn’t even get that deep into Virginia Roberts, but before I really dug into this, I thought she was always portrayed as this loony out there who was making- She’s a victim…. these great accusations.
And now it’s like all these files are corroborating what she’s saying, and she’s dead under suspicious circumstances.
I mean, I think her story sometimes changed a little bit, which is why people didn’t really believe her, but I think for the most part, she’s matching up. She’s matching up. Yeah.
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