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One, two, three.
Un, dos, tres.
Un, deux, trois.
Have you guys been following the Nancy Guthrie story?
Oh my God, yeah.
I have. It’s freaking crazy.
The video, the ring camera video?
Yes.
Yes.
This whole episode today is being recorded, couple days before the podcast comes out. So as of now, yes, like yesterday, they released the ring camera.
They’re doing like his height. I think it’s the brother-in-law. Yeah.
But here’s what I understand is if you look at the ring camera, like the guy showed up and he was all prepared, but seemed surprised by the ring camera.
And then he went to cover it up. And I feel like if it was her family, they would have known there was a ring camera.
Maybe it’s a hit man hired by the family.
Well, here’s the theory, guys. There is a connection between Epstein and Nancy Guthrie.
What? I feel like there’s a connection between Epstein and everything. Yeah.
Savannah Guthrie did a series of interviews with Epstein victims in 2019.
She was one of the first people that gave a platform to these victims. So some people are like, was this retaliation? But there’s no proof proof of that.
I’m like, why would they go after this 84-year-old mother? You’re going to go after her? I was like, the interview is already done.
I don’t understand. And then there’s also this Clinton connection because Savannah’s husband, Michael Feldman, was a co-founder of the Glover Park Group in 2001, which was a PR firm in DC that worked with Bill Clinton and Al Gore.
So people are like, he worked with Clinton. There were emails in the Epstein Files where someone actually recommended that Epstein talk to the Glover Park Group for like a little PR rehab. So that’s the rumor.
But what do you guys think is going on with Nancy?
I was talking to my mom on the phone today and I said like, the conspiracy theorists think that Epstein has something to do with it. And my mom was like, what? I was like, mom, come on.
Anyway, it’s such a mystery.
I hope I don’t think they’re going to.
I think she’s dead. No, I think I think she’s fast already.
I think she’s dead.
And I think they know she’s dead.
There’s no way that lady is alive.
I think sadly, she’s probably already dead, but I am really following closely. It’s such a bizarre story.
So we feel like when when somebody pays a ransom, how does that check out on their taxes?
That’s a great question.
Oh, I guess maybe you mean like if you’re not the tipster, you’re not the murderer.
That’s a good question, Colleen. I appreciate that question.
Thanks. Yeah.
Reddit says that reward money is taxable.
Wait, Reddit is saying that reward money is taxable?
Since 1913.
Wait, not if you’re paying the ransom, right? If you’re receiving the ransom.
We will ask Drew. I’ll ask Drew right now.
Okay.
Oh, Drewgill.
Okay, Drewgill.
So is it time for our drink check?
Yeah, drink check.
I mean, I’m drinking coffee because as I’m sleep deprived, I’ve been down the rabbit hole, so I’m having a little latte here. What are you guys having?
I’m having a cherry ginger ale made by Megan.
Kait’s over there drinking her water because she said, it’s too late, it’s too late for coffee.
Yeah, I have my second cup at 1 p.m. while I was in Target.
4:13
Epstein Background
Well, we have a pretty long episode, so I think we’re just gonna get into it.
We heard you and we’re tackling Epstein.
We’re doing it.
We’re doing it. Kait has been wanting to do this since the podcast started. It is too much.
So it was too much. I’m gonna mean to them.
The past week, Megan was like, trekking in, I’m on page six of my notes. This is gonna be a two-parter.
It’s a lot. So this one is sort of a background, and we’re gonna dive into some of the conspiracies and some of the questions people have been most vocal about on our podcast streaming services.
Yeah, because we get hate now.
Next week, Kait and I are gonna go deeper down the rabbit hole of the who’s in the files and what we’ve learned and that kind of thing. Maybe debunk or verify some viral stories.
So again, today, we’re just gonna kind of give a background and get into a few stories.
The Jeffrey Epstein was a wealthy financier who for years cultivated friendships with politicians, royalty, academics and celebrities while secretly running a long-term sex trafficking operation involving underage girls.
As early as the 1990s, Epstein was accused of paying teenage girls for sexual acts at his homes in Florida, New York and the West Virgin Islands.
Despite mounting evidence and multiple victims, his wealth, influence and high-powered legal team allowed him to avoid serious consequences for years.
The scandal really began to surface publicly in 2008, when Epstein struck a now-inhumous plea deal in Florida. A parent reported that Epstein had abused her 14-year-old daughter.
Instead of facing federal sex trafficking charges, he pleaded guilty to a single state charge of soliciting a minor, served just 13 months in a county jail with work release and received immunity for himself and potential co-conspirators.
The deal was later widely condemned as unjust and secretive, especially because victims were not informed violating federal law.
5:57
Epsteinʼs Final Days
In 2019, Epstein was arrested again, this time on federal sex trafficking charges, after investigative journalism and renewed scrutiny brought the case back into the spotlight.
Prosecutors accused him of operating a massive trafficking network that exploited dozens of minors. Before the case could go to trial, Epstein was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell in August 2019.
His death was officially ruled a suicide, but the circumstances sparked public suspicion and conspiracy theories.
In this episode, we laid the groundwork on who Jeffrey Epstein was and how he rose from relative obscurity to the center of one of the most disturbing criminal cases of the modern era.
We walked through the criminal charges he faced in 2008, the controversial plea deal that allowed him to avoid federal prosecution, and the renewed scrutiny that led to his 2019 arrest on federal sex trafficking charges.
From there, we unpacked the final days of Epstein’s life and the official rule of suicide while acknowledging why the circumstances of his death continue to fuel conspiracy theories.
We’ll also examine how Epstein’s case became entangled with Pizzagate and discuss the claims and speculation surrounding a woman named Gabriela Rico Jimenez. Oh, we’re coming back.
Full circle.
We’ll discuss why Epstein remains a lightning rod in the public imagination years after his death and start a deep dive into the newly released Epstein files.
Release them.
Yeah.
One, two, three.
Let’s go, bitch.
Oh, they’ve been released, but the question is…
I’m doing a joke and keep that in because the internet will understand that joke.
Okay.
But you guys don’t. Okay.
Well, I was doing a Taylor Swift. One, two, three. Let’s go, bitch.
Which is more, I think more people will understand that than what Colleen said.
Epstein was born a relative nobody. He was born to Jewish parents and he grew up in a gated predominantly Jewish community in Coney Island. And he graduated two years early before attending Cooper College for two years and then dropping out.
He actually started his professional career as a teacher without a degree, just a private school teacher, two years of college at the Dalton School, which was a private co-ed prep school in New York City.
I don’t like that.
Students have since come forward to say that the math and physics teacher was inappropriate with the girls, even attending parties with alcohol, giving extra attention to certain girls and making unwanted advances.
Some people report that they filed complaints about him, but there’s no evidence of that. But you know, cover up or no, it’s also been decades. Yeah.
Also like me too, you know, this is before.
Yeah.
He was also a big donor at the Interlochen Center for the Arts, which is a school in Michigan, which also had a summer camp that Epstein attended. They cut ties with him in 2008.
And again, we have no proof proof that he like victimized people in these locations, but he sounds like he kind of had a maybe a hunting ground, you know? Definitely did.
Sounds like he had a niche.
Yes. Yes. He donated to a lot of universities, a lot of colleges, but definitely was around children, which is disgusting.
Anyway, he was a teacher for two years in the 70s, but he was let go in 1975. And I really tried to figure out like, why was he let go? And I couldn’t really find a valid answer.
Like it’s entirely possible he was let go because he was inappropriate.
And they and they covered it up?
Yeah.
Oh my God.
I mean, 60, it’s like $60,000 a year tuition. So they don’t want the parents to know what’s going on, right?
No, I do have a question. Was Epstein born to like wealthy parents?
He gives that he was.
I think he was sort of like upper-class. I don’t think he was not wealthy in the same way he was wealthy. So I’m not sure yet if he was let go, the reason for his termination.
Some sources said he just like wasn’t a very good teacher, but he was tutoring an adult and student who happened to be the son of an investment banker.
And so he ends up through this parent being recruited to join Bear Stearns, which is a large investment bank that has since collapsed.
And he worked there from 1976 to 1982, and then he left because he had cheated and stolen money on his expense account. So he leaves that company. He’s a skeez regardless, right?
And so then he went to work with Stephen Hoffenberg, who was running a $460 million Ponzi scheme. The guy in one documentary is like, we needed a guy who was smart and not ethical.
And when we heard about this guy, cheating Bear Stearns out of money, we were like, this guy might lack the ethics. That’s just what we need. So he went to work for him.
While he was working for him, he also started working with Leslie Wexner, who was a billionaire who owned The Limited. Oh, Abercrombie & Fitch.
What?
Victoria’s Secret.
Oh.
Shut up.
All of our childhood memories. We’re gonna talk a whole lot more about Wexner next week. How did this guy who was a school teacher end up with so much money?
He had very limited finance experience. He’s just tutoring this kid in math, and suddenly he’s got this financial job, and he’s got all this money, and where did that money come from? I mean, he definitely was getting paid a lot of money from Wexner.
He was getting paid from a lot of… The money he’s making from some of these billionaires is way more than the value of the work, which leads to a lot of questions about, did he know things about people? Was he in relationships with people?
Again, we’re gonna dig deeper into that, but how he came to be as rich as he is now is really foggy, and we have a lot of theories that we’ll talk about next week.
But again, we know the 80s is really when he started to acquire his wealth, and that was when he was working for Leslie Wexner. It was in the late 80s, early 90s that he met Galeen Maxwell, a socialite who he dated on and off.
Their relationship over the years remains unclear. They were romantically linked at times. He called her his best friend and main girlfriend, which really gives Hugh Hefner vibes to me.
Hugh Hefner?
I’m sure neither one of you guys watched The Girls Next Door, right?
No.
Hugh Hefner had a main girlfriend, and then he had his other girlfriends.
Good for him.
Yeah, he’s a skeez.
He’s a skeez.
There are allegations out there that he wasn’t very nice to her, but she really sought his approval.
She may have had some daddy issues, which we’ll talk about following the death of her father. But she lived with Epstein and she ran his household to rise his staff.
Oh, wait. She was just in the news.
She’s all over the news.
She’s all over the news.
I remember reading her.
Yeah, she’s the one who went to jail for being like his madam.
Yeah.
And right now, we’re getting ahead of ourselves because she’s trying to negotiate.
Because she’s still alive.
If he wants the names. Yeah, but she’s on 24 hours. She’s got a camera in her cell, like 20 hours revision, and she’s saying, if you want the names, I want to be pardoned.
So that’s happening. Also, the Clintons are testifying later this month.
I bet she doesn’t have the names.
She knows everything that’s happened.
Getting into his first arrest. In 2005, the parents of a 14-year-old girl told police that Epstein then in his early 50s had molested their daughter in his Palm Beach, Florida home. Now, Epstein was on police radar.
A few years prior, neighbors reported to the police, they were concerned that there was a lot of young women coming and going from this Palm Beach mansion.
But the police did a drive-by, they said they went in, there were only adults present and nobody was there against their will, so that was the end of it.
But then in 2005 again, this teenage girl’s stepmom found her with cash and asked her where she got it, and she said that this rich guy had paid them for massages.
So the deal was, he was recruited out of these high schools, these friends would come, he’d get these young girls to come, then they’d say, we’ll pay you $200 for a massage.
He gets, receives?
Yes. It starts as a massage that he is being given by these kids. Then he turns over and is like, let’s do this.
A lot of them did it because they felt like this was a rich man of power, and they’re in their house. Then a couple of them would say, no, I don’t want to do that.
Then he’d say, well, if you bring me someone who will do it, I’ll give you $200 and I’ll give that person $200.
Oh my gosh.
Then these high schoolers would come back with their friends. He had these victims trafficking other children. People in the schools knew.
They said there was like six high schools he was recruiting from. At one of these schools, these two girls get in a fight and they break up the fight, and this girl’s got hundreds of dollars on her. They’re like, what’s the story?
This girl comes out and says, this rich man paid me for massages. That’s how Epstein first comes under criminal investigation.
Oh, no. It’s disgusting.
A search warrant was issued, but we think he was tipped off. He had given all of his electronics to his lawyer, so most of the house was cleaned out.
But what they did find were numerous photographs and sexually suggested images of girls displayed throughout the house.
The investigation revealed that Epstein may have been assembling a network of underage girls to coerce into sex, as well as trafficking minor girls for sex parties at his homes in Manhattan, New Mexico, and the Caribbean.
Oh, no.
The investigation revealed at least 36 underage victims as young as 14. Again, most of these encounters started as massages and they dated back to 2002. He was facing life in prison, but he struck a plea deal.
Again, they have 36 known victims as young as 14. I remember that. He only pleads guilty to two counts of prostitution.
In exchange, Epstein and four of his accomplices would face immunity from all federal charges and the FBI would stop their investigation to victims and other potential victims.
They also kept the deal sealed until after a judge approved it, which is illegal because victims have the right to speak out against a deal in court. The fact that none of the victims-
I didn’t know that. Yeah.
If you’re going to make a plea deal, the victims have to know so they can come and they can stand in front of the judge and say like this is why we disagree with this plea deal, but nobody told them.
Wow.
The US-
They knew the names of the victims.
Yeah, they had 36 victims. They were prepared. The US Attorney for Southern Florida negotiated the deal, and that man is now Secretary of Labor.
Again, goes into what did he get for making this sweet deal.
Right.
Epstein ended up receiving an 18-month prison sentence during which he was able to go on work release to his office for 12 hours a day, six days a week.
Oh, no.
Work release?
Yes. He would just go to the office and women were in the office.
No.
You know, it didn’t matter. And then he’d go back to jail. In his jail cell, he was held in the county jail.
This is all part of the agreement.
No.
So he was kept in his own private wing. His cell door remained open. He had his own TV room.
He had a special menu.
No.
That doesn’t sound like a very difficult prison term, does it?
I’m sorry. No, no, no. It sounds like he’s just like has his own private guards that are guarding him.
He is not under arrest.
Also, yeah, just like just come back and sleep here and then go live your life during the day.
Yeah.
So after 13 months, he was released on house arrest. But we know there is so much documentation that he was violating his probation. So he was even traveling to his private island, little St.
James, Epstein Island, which is 75 acre private island, about a 10 minute boat ride from St. Thomas. There was this PI in the Netflix doc who said his whole job was to just follow him and he submitted 66 incidents as a violation of his house arrest.
It was over 11 pages. He gave this to his parole officer. Nothing happened.
They said, what would you like us to do about it?
Oh my God.
What did Epstein have on them? That’s what I want to know. Because how?
Yeah.
How did this happen? Then you just think about everything that happened since and how none of it would have happened if this had just been treated appropriately. But Me Too, I think this was pre-Me Too, right?
Me Too was like 2012?
Yes. This is definitely pre-Me Too.
Hopefully, this would not have happened now. But yeah, just as like this is disgusting that this was how it was handled. And then people talk about how they’re like, you know, he’s traveling to his island.
They’re like, well, if he can be back in 24 hours, he can travel. This doesn’t sound like house. I mean, I guess it’s still his house, but it doesn’t sound like house for us.
That can’t be right.
So that was the first time.
And I think what’s important here is that all these people that are coming up in the files, they have previously spoken out and been like, we ended our relationship once we found out what a predator he was, right?
So I think anyone who corresponded with him after 2008, after this happened, had to know what kind of person he was. 100%. And most of these people did.
So that’s, I think where it gets really disgusting. It’s not even like I had no idea that this guy was such a creep. That’s achy.
It’s like you 100% did. So once his punishment was over, he went to New York City and he threw a big dinner party.
So we had, at this party, Prince Andrew, Katie Couric, who was working for ABC News at the time, George Stephanopoulos, who was former Clinton administration operative and the anchor of ABC’s Good Morning America, Charlie Rose, the veteran PBS and
CBS interviewer. His career ended due to scandal. Chelsea Handler. The comedian?
Yes. I do want to just say that Chelsea Handler, like right after this happened, she came out in the press. I found some old interviews where she was like, I went to the weirdest party ever at this guy Epstein’s house.
I didn’t even know he was. And I got there, and Woody Allen was there as she left. So she said she came with Katie Couric, and then she was so inappropriate that Katie Couric was like, we just have to go.
But I feel like the fact that Chelsea Handler came out and was like, because I went to the weirdest any party, makes me think she probably was like, what the fuck is happening and is no part of all this. Yeah.
But yes, Woody Allen and his wife slash daughter, who and he were there. Anyway, again, it’s important to note that these people, this dinner party was after he got off house arrest.
So all these people in his social circle, again, who claimed to distance themselves when they found out what kind of person he was, not true. He had just kind of prisoned for child prostitution charges. And these people are coming to a dinner party.
Over the next decade, investigative reporting, most notably by the Miami Herald in 2018, exposed the scope of Epstein’s abuse, the number of victims and the unusual leniency of the plea deal, reigniting public outrage and scrutiny.
So that non-prosecution agreement he had signed for him and his four co-conspirators in the Southern District of Florida, it only applied to the Southern District of Florida. So it didn’t shield Epstein from prosecution anywhere else.
Yeah.
So that’s how they kind of got around this. In 2019, Feds broke down the door and searched his New York City home, and discovered thousands of pornographic images of underage girls.
Oh my God.
In a fifth floor dressing room, they found a safe that contained hard drives, CDs, diamonds, a large amount of US currency, and passports with Epstein’s face, but issued under different names and from different countries.
Oh my God.
Of course.
In 2019, federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York brought new charges, sex trafficking, conspiracy, and sex trafficking of minors, based on conduct in New York and other locations, effectively reopening the case by sidestepping the
This is crazy.
According to the US.
Attorney’s Office, Epstein sexually exploited and abused dozens of underage girls by enticing them to engage in sex acts with him in exchange for money.
He allegedly worked with several employees and associates to ensure that he had a steady supply of minor victims to abuse, and paid several of those victims themselves to recruit other underage girls to engage in similar sex acts for money.
We now know that less than two weeks prior to Epstein’s death, Epstein’s attorney had met with Manhattan federal prosecutors to discuss a plea deal and Epstein’s cooperation.
How did he get rich?
Yeah, that’s kind of a mystery. Like he got into…
I didn’t miss anything?
No, I sort of touched it. He got into financial management. Sort of.
How did he get this power?
But that’s what people don’t understand.
He got into financial management, everyone’s like, how did this guy go from a teacher to this guy who’s handling billionaires finances for them?
And then people are in trouble because they’re like, you paid this guy $200 million for financial assistance, but that was not $200 million worth of work, which has people, we’re going to get deeper into-
Thinking he was trafficking, like-
Was he blackmailing them? Was he in inappropriate relationships with them? Was he getting paid for providing women to them?
There’s a lot of different theories out there, and we’re going to, I think, get into some of those next week as we dive into the files.
This is why people have been calling for these files, Colleen, because it’s like the biggest, it’s disgusting.
Well, I know, but I didn’t understand how, I thought he did something to get famous and then like got into it. But you’re telling me he’s been into it his whole life.
Probably, he probably just, as he gained money, gained the power to do this.
That’s terrifying.
I feel like the way he gained money had something to do with all of this.
Yeah.
It doesn’t make sense. He was either like blackmailing people into paying him because he knew their secrets or something. It wasn’t, he was selling child porn on the down-low.
Like something was going on.
So talking about Epstein’s death though, Epstein was found unresponsive in his jail cell at 6:30 a.m. during breakfast trade delivery on August 10th and was rushed to New York Downtown Hospital where he was pronounced dead at 6:39 a.m.
He was found in a kneeling position with a sheet tied around his neck and the other end tied up to the top bunk. The time of death was believed to have been around 4:30 a.m.
His brother ended up claiming the body and burying it in an unmarked grave next to his parents. He removed the marker on his parents’ grave as well to prevent vandalism.
So his brother has spoken out against his brother’s crimes, but he also believes that based on his identification of the body and experts that he hired to redo the autopsy, he believes his brother was murdered.
In general, several different polls from 2025 indicate that only 15-25 percent of Americans actually believe he died by suicide.
Yeah.
He definitely did not.
He definitely didn’t die by suicide.
The autopsy on August 11th ruled the cause of death suicide by asphyxiation with the bedsheet, but how do we know someone didn’t strangle him and stage the scene?
Exactly.
In just a moment, we’re going to talk about that. So Epstein had surrounded himself with politicians and celebrities, leading many to believe that there was a client list and that that is what got Epstein killed, people looking out for themselves.
This led to widespread demands that the Epstein Files be made public.
Prosecutors said Maxwell played a central role in Epstein’s sex trafficking operation by recruiting, grooming and transporting underage girls, normalizing sexual abuse and managing logistics that enabled Epstein to exploit victims while insulating
him from scrutiny. After Epstein’s 2019 arrest and death, Maxwell became the focus of the criminal case.
In 2021, she was convicted in federal court on multiple counts, including sex trafficking of a minor and conspiracy for her role in recruiting and abusing teenage girls.
In 2022, she was sentenced to 20 years in prison, submitting her legal responsibility for helping run and sustain Epstein’s trafficking scheme.
24:13
Files Release Issues
On November 18th, 2025, the Epstein Files Transparency Act was passed requiring the United States Department of Justice to release what was initially reported to be six million documents related to the case.
The act passed 427 to one in the House, unanimously in the Senate, and was signed by Trump the following morning. Can you imagine being the one person?
Sounds like maybe he was a little guilty.
Sounds like maybe he should be the first person we look into.
Right. What do we know?
The act required that the Department of Justice release all files related to Epstein within 30 days. There was a document released on December 19th, which was 31 days after.
And then an additional release came on January 30th, and the Department of Justice reported that it had fulfilled its legal obligations. So they released 3.5 million pages, 2,000 videos, and 180,000 images.
But people are skeptical because the DOJ said, we have 6 million documents.
And then how much was released?
They’ve released 3.5 million and they said, that’s it.
Yeah.
Did someone just misspeak? I don’t know why you would misspeak. I’d be very careful about what I said if I was talking about the Epstein Files.
But 3 million seems like a lot to withhold, which is only more people are getting conspiratorial here and already thinking that like the government’s hiding from them.
And now you’re not really seeing half of the files, but you’re saying, oh, this is everything.
And then where’s the checks and balances? How do we critique how much they released? Like, do they have to re-vote?
It’s not that they’re like, we’ve only released 50% and that’s all we’re going to release.
It’s that they’re like, this is everything, but no one believes it’s everything.
No. No.
And then I think the way they released it, it is very hard to understand, to get through. So it’s like, they’re certainly not making it easy for anybody to, it’s not all about transparency.
So again, these three and a half million pages consisted of email chains, text messages, news articles, internal investigative reports and other material tied to Mr. Epstein.
The Attorney General reported they had redacted all images of women except for Galaine Maxwell saying, quote, In addition to the documentary redactions, which includes personal identifying information, victim information, other privileges, there’s
extensive redaction images and videos to protect victims. We redacted every woman depicted in any image or video with the exception of Ms. Maxwell.
We did not redact images of any men unless it was impossible to redact the woman without also redacting the men. So this is what they say, right?
But in fact, they failed to redact multiple names of victims, including several who had never been publicly identified before and appeared to have redacted names and images of predators that shouldn’t have been redacted.
So the victims came out and they were like, we’re not really happy with this redaction. You put our name out there when it wasn’t supposed to, and you’ve covered up pictures of men, these like of predators, and redacted those for the publication.
So what is this, right? So as a result, thousands have been taken down. Gloria Allred, who is a lawyer for some of these victims, said, in some cases, they have a line through the names, but you can still read the names.
In other cases, they’ve shown photos of victims, survivors, who have never done a public interview, never given the name publicly.
The DOJ released a statement saying, it takes victim protection very seriously and has redacted thousands of victims’ names and the millions of published pages to protect the innocent.
To date, 0.1% of the released pages had been found to have unredacted information that could identify victims, but 0.1% out of 3.5 million, that is still thousands of pages. Yeah, they’re kind of under fire about all this.
Yeah, that’s crazy.
Members of Congress were permitted to view the unredacted documents, so you guys might have seen some of this in the news. Yeah, they’re in a room and anyone can go.
Actually, some representative on Reddit last night posted, I’m going to view, tell me what to focus on, guys. They’re asking the Redditors.
Oh, that’s kind of crazy.
But these people get to go into a room and they get to just view without their cameras or their phones or anything, the unredacted documents.
Any rep or senator?
Any member of Congress. These two representatives said they spent two hours in there and they had already identified at least six men who have been redacted or that are likely incriminated by their inclusion in these files.
Massey said, one of these men is pretty high up in a foreign government. One of the others is a pretty prominent individual. The pair said that at least one of the six men was a US citizen.
So we can’t validate any of this, but it’s just like, yeah, you went in there for two hours and you found six people. So what else are we not getting being told?
Right.
The DOJ did say, okay, well, we did withhold 200,000 pages based on various privileges. So this week, they’re going to have to explain how they made the decision to hold those 200,000 pages.
Yeah, that’s interesting.
I think there is also more to come on this because, as we said, I think February 26th and February 27th, Bill and Hillary are going to testify. That’s all going to be public per their request.
They’re trying to get Colleen, but it’s really frustrating watching Colleen and Jeffrey. All they do is plead the fifth, and it’s really annoying, like on all their videos.
Yeah, because they know, because they know. They know everything they say is incriminating, so that’s all they can do, plead the fifth.
So I’m going to get into, that’s kind of all of my background, and I’m going to kind of, again, we’re going to go through a couple of mysteries here, but I will say that my assessment of the files is that there’s a ton of content.
I think there’s like a tip line, like anyone who was, if anyone ever called a tip in.
There’s a whole section for that?
There is. And so I think some of the things we’re seeing on social media, like so-and-so was in the Epstein files, but it doesn’t mean that they did anything.
It could have just been, yeah, or like they worked for a company that was referenced that someone else worked for. And now, you know, people are on social media being like, they’re in the files.
And right, it is, there is definitely a lot to go through.
29:41
Epstein Death Theories
But I guess I wanted to talk about first his death because, you know, let’s get this out of the way. It’s a big mystery. Yeah.
And then we’ll talk about the victims and focus on the victims. Because again, first, I kind of want to talk about the theories around his death. So there’s three theories.
The theories are that he killed himself, that he was murdered, or that his death was faked.
Immediately I’m pro-fake.
Well, of course you are. I don’t think that he was faked.
Of note, because again, the party line is he committed suicide, right? The psych report compiled from when he was alive revealed that Epstein had a large circle of acquaintances but few close friends and family.
His identity appeared to be based on his wealth, power and association with other high-profile individuals.
And so the termination was that his lack of interpersonal relationships and now his loss of status and thereby his identity is what caused him to turn to suicide.
18 days prior to his death, Epstein was found on his cell floor with injuries to his neck. The official report reads, July 23rd, 2019, at approximately 1:27 a.m., a call for assistance on the special housing unit was announced by the control center.
Upon my arrival, I was informed that an inmate had attempted suicide and proceeded to the cell. I observed inmate Epstein lying in a fetal position on the floor of his cell wearing a t-shirt and boxers. He is breathing heavily and he was snoring.
I called out to inmate Epstein and observed him flicker his eyes and continue snoring. His neck was red with no abrasions. I observed no further injuries to his person.
An attempt was made to get the inmate to stand on his own with negative results. The inmate was placed in hand restraints and staff was directed to retrieve the stretcher.
As inmate Epstein was being placed on the stretcher by responding staff, he would open eyes and observe staff. When staff made eye contact with him, he would hurriedly shut his eyes.
The inmate was taken to HA unit, dressed in the suicide smog and placed on suicide watch. Upon the arrival of medical staff, inmate Epstein was examined and treated.
He had erythema at the base of the neck, one section on the front with marks of friction, the small erythema on his left knee. The report listed this as a suicide attempt.
Records indicate that he told them he had been attacked by his cellmate, an ex-cop who was awaiting trial on four murders.
He sat upon the bed and began telling me that he thinks his bunkie tried to kill him, but then later retracted that statement and said he couldn’t remember what happened.
So he ended up being placed on suicide watch for 31 hours, but he did not exhibit any disturbing behavior and was returned back to the shoe.
So the question is, this episode 18 days prior, was this his first failed suicide attempt or was this someone’s first attempt at murder, right?
Right.
Similarly, we have nobody who evidence of what went down and his cellmate has denied any involvement, which is very much like his actual death, right?
The cellmate claims that Epstein had offered him money to kill him and left a suicide note, but we have no evidence of any of that in any of his prison records.
That’s just a story.
So this happened, like this story definitely happened. But the question is, it’s unclear whether he had tried to kill himself or he, because he claimed, my cellmate tried to kill me. And then he said, just kidding, that didn’t happen.
Right.
I don’t remember what happened.
I mean, if he was being asphyxiated, I actually don’t think he would remember what happens.
Right. But what I’m saying is, if somebody was trying to kill him, maybe like he was like, I thought it was my cellmate, but I actually can’t remember.
It could have been anybody. But do you think based on that, I mean, that’s limited information. What do you guys think?
Do you think he tried to kill himself 18 days prior? Or do you think?
I don’t know.
I could see him paying somebody to kill him. I could see that. He pays for so many other things.
Honestly, it doesn’t sound like he has a personality enough to kill himself.
I don’t know. I could be wrong.
Yeah, is he a little too narcissistic and delusions of randeosity?
Right.
I mean, he’s also, he got away with it before and he’s meeting with the prosecutors about a plea deal. And so who’s just like, right. I wouldn’t be surprised if he thought he was going to beat all this again.
Right.
Right. He gives like ditty. Yeah.
Other interesting things that people say kind of point towards suicide.
Two days prior to his death, he met with his lawyers and he changed his will. He moved all of his assets, which were valued at $630 million, except actually when it was all said and done, it was not that much money.
But he moved all of his assets into a private trust in the US Virgin Islands. Reasons he may have done this.
He wouldn’t have to publicly disclose the beneficiaries, so he could make it harder for victims to collect compensation and then to try to protect his assets from the creditors.
It took many, many years to do it, to pay out victims who a lot of them are still waiting for money and to identify who the beneficiaries are. We really just got the full list of beneficiaries with the files.
It didn’t really prevent anything, but it certainly made life harder for people. His number one recipient was Karina Schuliak, who was his girlfriend. I didn’t even know that this girl existed until I went down this rabbit hole.
I’ve never heard that name.
Me neither.
Wait, it wasn’t Galane?
No. Galane was only left $10 million, conditional on her surviving longer than Epstein. Karina Schuliak, it sounds like was his girlfriend.
He left her a 33-carat ring. How fucking big is that?
It’s huge. It’s like a legit rock.
How many carats is your ring?
Mine’s one carat.
33. So he left her $100 million in cash, plus that was going to be $50 million now and $50 million to be paid out later. Significant real estate, this ring, and some diamonds.
His longtime lawyer and a co-executive of the trust was going to get $50 million. Darren Indyke, Richard Kahn, his accountant and co-executor was going to get $25 million. Lawrence Vysotsky, who was his pilot, he was going to get $10 million.
Maxwell, $10 million. And then Mark Epstein, $10 million, which was going to be in a trust for his children. And then there were like dozens of other kind of friends, families, associates who were to get smaller amounts of money.
The other thing that I guess will be pro is, you know, the Aaron Hernandez case, the whole deal was, he was acquitted on one charge and it was like the timing of his murder was like technically, I think his other case was like in appeal.
And so you can’t technically be guilty when you’re in appeal. And that’s when he killed himself. And that was one of the things was like, this is the perfect timing, because technically you’re not a convicted felon.
Oh, mm-hmm.
With his, it was like the payout from the NFL and stuff, like his fiance got money.
So I was wondering if there was some kind of like loop about like him dying. Or what’s, you know, there was some kind of like workaround with him dying and if this somehow financially benefited people. I don’t know.
I don’t know, just a side thought. But anyway, that’s kind of the theories for.
Him giving so much to his pilot.
Well, his pilot, yeah.
His pilot knows a lot.
So and then it looked talking about evidence maybe against suicide. So Epstein was housed in the secure housing unit, the SHU.
And the agreement with the Justice Department was that he would have a cellmate and the guards would check on him every 30 minutes. Well, the night before his death, his cellmate was transferred and nobody replaced him.
So now he’s suddenly alone in a cell, which was not the agreement. Video evidence from the hall showed that a guard walked by the cell at 10.30 and then no one checked on him again.
In fact, the two guards on duty both fell asleep at their desks for three hours. Oh, brutal.
The two cameras in front of the cell were malfunctioning, of course, because he was rushed to the hospital, there’s no photographic evidence of the scene taken, like before it was all trampled upon, if you will.
Right?
But look at those photos I sent you. We have some later photos where they went back. What do you think about the photos of the scene of his bunk?
So were they sharing a bunk?
Well, he was in there by himself at this time.
Yeah. But here’s the question. Does it look like somebody who maybe, because there are two theories here, right?
Either he knelt on the ground and yeah, or he jumped off the top. Okay. Either one.
These are the two theories that get discussed. But does it look on his actual bunk like there has been any kind of drama?
No.
What do you see, Kait?
What it is, it’s like toilet paper at the top. There’s a plastic bag with something in it. There’s all these pills, bottles that are standing up nicely, nicely arranged.
Everything is standing up perfectly.
Nothing looks like anyone jumped off the top. My point here is that it does not look like there’s been a-
Disruption.
Disruption.
Correct. Okay.
I will agree with that.
He also had a sleep apnea machine in the room.
So he’s a CPAP guy.
Yeah. So wouldn’t you use-
That, I would have strangled myself with that.
That’s- Yes.
Does that mean-
As I pretty much do. You’re not allowed to have that?
I mean, it’s for his health. I don’t think that they can withhold that.
If it’s that much of a suicide risk, I think-
But apparently, he wasn’t on Suicide Watch. They cleared him. Now you guys can scroll down to the actual photos of his neck, okay?
It’s weird.
Let me tell you about that.
He had fractures of the hyoid bone and thyroid cartilage, which is known to be more common with strangulation.
Like with a hand. Yes.
Right.
Well, I don’t think hand though, but holding it.
Like a wire.
Yep. Multiple forensic pathologists publicly stated the injuries were more consistent with strangulation than a typical hanging. Again, the jail setting, this would involve a low height suspension.
Maybe he tied it around his neck and he leaned forward, which also, I feel like that requires a lot of, I would give, as I started to black out, I would just sit up. You know what I mean? Insinctually.
Yeah.
Right.
Looking at the pictures of his neck with his strangulation marks, what does that look like to you?
It looks like somebody pulled from behind.
Yes.
And why do you say that?
It’s low. And it’s angled.
Because it’s right across, it’s low and it’s right across like the middle of his neck. But also, honestly, I don’t know if a T-shirt would actually make that mark.
Yes, these are the two issues. First of all, it looks more like maybe a… A shoelace.
Or a garotte, if you will, which I got in JonBenet. Okay. So it definitely looks more like maybe a wire or even a shoelace.
Okay. It doesn’t look like a big T-shirt. And then, Kait, you pointed out something else, that it looks very not angled.
Because wouldn’t you expect if he tied himself to…
It would be angled.
Yeah, that’s what I mean.
Yes.
It should have gone across the front and then up kind of behind his ears if this was a hanging death.
Let me tell you this. Yes. And let me tell you, everything is way too clean.
Oh, the guards just fell asleep.
Yeah, of course they did.
The cameras just aren’t working for two hours. Like, that’s a little too suspicious for me. Maybe the guard, I don’t know, chloroformed, came on and gave him a little Xanax.
I think also it’s just like, I don’t know how well jail is run, but…
I believe the guard fell asleep.
I couldn’t believe that.
Yeah.
So files released in the dump include an FBI log of security camera review, and it includes a notation that at 1039, a, quote, flash of orange looks to be going up the L-tier stairs could possibly be an inmate escorted up to that tier.
Oh, my gosh.
The investigator general log at the same time says a flash of orange can be seen going up the stairs of the L-upper tier. Inmates are currently on lockdown. It is possible someone is carrying inmate bedding or linen up the stairs.
The figure seems to return two minutes later, and that’s it, right? So they actually do have this, like, orange image in the stairs. But the image looks like it goes up the stairs at 1039 and comes back at 1041.
So this is definitely suspicious, but I don’t think two minutes was long enough to asphyxiate, if you ask me.
No, no, we just said I think he would. Well, he chose no sign of fight, though.
That’s a problem with the whole theory. It literally looks like there’s no struggle.
We see something with his fingers.
Yeah, but I think you wouldn’t be able to get your finger, I don’t know, behind you.
But don’t you think he would, like, reach for something? Or do you think he would reach, like, this immediately?
I don’t know.
I don’t know if he, like, it’s just so shocking he goes, like, this, and then by the time that he can’t think of anything else to, like, reach for something to stop them. I don’t know.
The two officers who found him failed to do counts at 3 a.m. and 5 a.m., as well as mandatory wellness checks. I told you he was supposed to be getting wellness checks every 30 minutes.
I’m telling you, they were in on it.
They were charged with falsifying documents, but those charges were dropped in exchange for their cooperation.
So in this document drop, there is a transcript of their version of events. The officer who found him claimed that he ripped Epstein down from the hanging position, saying, I don’t recall taking the noose off. I really don’t.
I don’t recall taking the thing from around his neck. The other officer claims that she remained at the cell door and saw her coworker lower Epstein to the floor, but that she never saw the noose, and we still have never identified the noose.
In those pictures I sent you, there’s some hanging, but no one thinks that those match.
They don’t match.
The guard who found him also claimed that he was shirtless, but evidence collected at the hospital and returned with his personal belongings, include a shirt that was cut off.
So I don’t know what that’s about, why he would say he was shirtless, but then he had a shirt. I don’t know. The photos of EMTs working on him look like they cut a shirt open, so maybe he just forgot.
I don’t know. It’s just like, doesn’t make sense, but I’m not sure what that means.
I told you that he had had multiple evaluations starting in early July 2019 when he was arrested, and the evaluator noted that Epstein adamantly denied suicidal ideation, intention or plan.
The reports indicated that he was future oriented and focused on fighting his legal case. He was assessed as not showing significant functional impairment or needing regular mental health intervention.
He was given a low mental health care code, meaning minimal psychological risk at the time. Again, he was revalued in August, and even his own lawyer said, we saw him that day and he was upbeat.
People near him and people who evaluated him didn’t think he was a suicide risk. The other thing that’s come out big on social media, on the gram, and in those files I just sent you, there is a statement from the Manhattan US. Attorney.
It said, earlier this morning, the Manhattan Correctional Center confirmed that Jeffrey Epstein, who faced charges brought by his office of engaging in the sex trafficking of minors, had been found unresponsive in his cell and pronounced dead shortly
All right.
What’s the date on the top of that?
August 9th.
Yeah.
What day did I tell you he died?
August 10th.
So this letter came out before he died. The announcement of his death came out the day before he died.
That’s crazy.
Yeah, that’s suspicious. But also, could it be a misstate?
Yeah, I’m thinking I misstate things all the time.
I don’t misstate public statements.
So the people on Instagram are like, it was clearly a cover up because they had written the announcement before he even died, but I think someone just forgot to fix the date.
Okay, the end of the conspiracy related to his murder is this theory that’s been circulating on social media as well, that he never actually died.
And this comes from some of those people, those pictures I sent you, and they said he doesn’t look like a dead person, he looks like he’s got too much color.
I also had the same thought, he doesn’t look dead, he looks like he has too much color. Well, I’m trying to look at his mouth and see. His mouth is purple.
It’s pretty pale.
No, I think he would have been more blue.
I don’t think his lips would have looked like that.
I don’t think so.
I think there are some pictures where he looks pretty well-colored, but those are actually pictures from that first attack 18 days prior. I think that picture you just showed me, he looks like a typical asphyxiation, like his face, the color there.
With the petechial.
Yeah, he’s got like petechial hemorrhage.
Well, yeah, you see petechial hemorrhage, right? But I just thought he would be more blue. I guess you can see by his ears, they’re kind of blue.
His lips are really.
His lips look like a dead person’s.
No, I think this is a dead person.
Well, the people who think he’s alive, what they believe is that he has grown a beard and he’s living in Israel.
And that other picture is circulating.
Oh, the one that says it’s fake.
Yeah.
Because it has been debunked.
I don’t think that guy looks like him at all.
Oh, I think it looks like him, but it’s a Gemini Google image created image.
Oh, that one that I made? Oh, Google Gemini?
Yeah, the AI image generated Gemini. So this Israeli connection, I’m not going to get too deep in this because there are people who have done like entire podcasts about this.
But pretty much the connection that people have between Epstein and Israel is that there have long been theories that he has ties with Mossad, which is the Israeli Intelligence Agency.
So these theories started because of his relationship with several wealthy Israeli figures including the former Prime Minister, who was seen in photographs at Epstein’s house multiple times between 2013 and 2017.
He also invested in several Israeli businesses and he was on several Israeli real estate auction sites. There’s a deeper theory that he was a spy for Israel and the US gathering and compromising data on powerful people.
Again, probably stemming from this access to powerful people and his wealth. Colleen Maxwell’s father was a British media tycoon who had confirmed ties to Mossad and mysteriously died in 1991 after falling off his boat.
So that being said, the file drop includes a lot of tip to the FBI’s LA office in 2020, alleging that Epstein was a co-opted Mossad agent who was trained as a spy. This saying, this does not mean it’s real.
It just means that somebody, some rando could have called in this tip, right?
There’s also an email from Epstein in 2018 talking about Maxwell’s death, claiming that, says Ghislaine’s dad, a threatened Mossad saying unless they gave him 400 million pounds to save his crumbling empire, he would expose all he had done for them.
Deepak Chopra is a famous-
Oh, I know that name.
Well, he’s canceled now. He’s a famous Indian American spiritual guru who rose to fame on the Oprah Winfrey Show in the 90s and he’s published over 90 self-help books.
He denied being involved in any abuse and their email exchanges between Epstein and Deepak from 2016 to 2020 specifically related to Israel. So Chopra says, come to Israel with us, relax and have fun with interesting people.
If you want to use a fake name, bring your girls. It will be fun to have you.
That’s disgusting.
Bring your girls.
Epstein responded, another location, I do not like Israel, all caps at all.
Oh, so he racist.
So why would he say that? Because he does like Israel. He’s like looking for home for real estate in Israel.
He’s like, was Israel a code for something else?
I don’t know, we’re going to get into the codes later.
In a separate email, Epstein asked Chopra to find to make, quote, cute Israeli blonde matter over mind.
Wow. Right.
Chopra warned him that Israeli women are militant, aggressive and V sexy.
Are these quotes from their emails?
Yes. I mean, I do feel like being so public in his relationship with the prime minister, like, if he was an Israeli spy, that would just be really shitty spy, right? So anyway, I don’t believe he’s in Israel right now.
I don’t believe that video. I think he’s dead. I think he was murdered.
Right.
Yeah.
I think he’s dead.
You think someone took him out? You think someone took him out?
I think he was def- he was taken out.
Do you think they took him out because he was going to leak some names? Or what do you think the motive was? For sure.
What was the plea deal about to be?
You know what I mean? Who was he about to give up?
Yeah.
Who was so deep in it with him that they were going to-
Who’s strong enough to get him taken out though?
49:27
Pizzagate Codes
My second of three dramas I want to discuss here is Pizzagate.
Pizzagate.
This is another one that is long been on my list to cover, and then I couldn’t get into it, and then all of a sudden this exploded.
So here we are summarizing it for you. Do you remember Pizzagate, Colleen?
Yeah, but I just remember being a thing.
Leading up to the 2016 election, this is Trump versus Hillary Clinton.
I like how Pizzagate was way before that.
A viral story started circulating that Hillary Clinton, her campaign manager, John Podesta, and other Democrats were running a pedophile ring.
The online rumor was that NYPD had discovered a pedophile ring while searching through Anthony Weiner’s emails. Do you remember Anthony Weiner?
Yes.
Kait does. So Anthony Weiner was this married US representative. I think his wife worked for Hillary, right?
And he was involved in the sexting scandal. But then it got worse because in 2016, it turned out he’d been exchanging sexually explicit texts and images with a 15-year-old girl.
So yes, I remember this now.
He ended up pleading guilty to transfer an obscene material to a minor, and he went to jail, sentenced to 21 months in prison, and he registered a sex offender. So this was all happened at the same time.
The theory that the NYPD had discovered this pedophile ring was denied by law enforcement, but it was circulating. Then in March, John Podesta’s personal email was hacked and published by WikiLeaks.
So online sleuths reviewed the WikiLeaks correspondence and found mentions of cheese pizza.
Oh my god. Oh, now I remember this.
For CP, which maybe the theory we’re getting to what these codes could mean and how it relates to Epstein could be child pornography.
So James Elefantis was the owner of Comet Ping Pong in DC, which was a pizza restaurant in Washington, and it was, he was a pretty big supporter of the Democratic Party.
He raised money for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, and he was once in a relationship with David Brock, who was an influential liberal operative. So his name popped up in the Podesta emails in connection with fundraisers.
And so all these sleuths make all these connections, okay? And then on December 4, 2016, 28-year-old Edgar Welch drove from North Carolina to DC to rescue the children.
He entered the restaurant with an AR-15 and demanded the children be released from the basement. But there were no children and there was no basement. What?
So no one got harm, but he kicked everyone out and he started shooting the lock off a door because maybe he thought it was the basement. Yeah. It was just a storage closet.
He ended up serving four years in prison after pleading guilty to assault with a dangerous weapon. He was released in March 2020. And then sadly, last year, he was stopped on a probation violation, ended up in an altercation with police.
Sounds like he pulled out a handgun. Oh no, police shot him, he died.
How was he able to get a handgun?
The deal was that this was something they thought, this was like a very like alt-right, crazy QAnon conspiracy theory about Pizzagate.
Conspiracy theorists had bought into this Pizzagate and it was so clearly fake, and they all just looked ridiculous and sounded crazy for believing it, right? So now people are like, was this all a setup?
But anyway, the reason that Pizzagate comes back into conversation now with Epstein is that the Epstein Files have over 900 mentions of pizza.
900? Yes. Out of six something million people.
Yes, but let me tell you, let me read you the examples, okay?
And you tell me if this sounds like someone’s talking about pizza.
Okay. Are they emails?
Yes. One associate asks Epstein in 2018, what time do you want to get pizza and grape soda tomorrow?
That’s wild.
A 2015 subject line reads, your pizza is yummy yummy. Someone else writes, this is better than a Chinese cookie. Let’s go for pizza and grape soda again.
No one else can understand.
Oh my God.
Oh, what is grape soda? That’s what I want to know.
Someone emailed Epstein asking if another guy could go to Red Hook for pizza. So Red Hook is like the little neighborhood that you go to, to get on, like where the marina is to get on a boat to get to Epstein Island.
So they said, let’s go to Red Hook for pizza. This pizza gate all goes back to Christopher Poole, who founded 4chan. Didn’t she used to spend time on 4chan?
I know exactly what 4chan is.
I don’t even know what 4chan is.
She’s talked about Internet.
It’s like before Reddit.
It’s like messed up stuff.
It’s the entryway to the dark Internet.
This board, backslash new, is where people share conspiracy and season memes, but it was very volatile. So Poole actually took it down in January of 2011.
We know from the files that Epstein and Poole met in October of that year, because Epstein had written to his mutual friend, I like him a lot. I drove him home. He’s very bright.
That same month, the new 4chan board launched called Poll. And this is where Pizzagate started.
The Pizzagate conspiracy theory again, alleged that high ranking Democratic officials, including Hillary Clinton, were operating a child sex trafficking ring out of the basement of Comet Ping Pong, a Washington DC pizza shop.
This conspiracy then migrated to Reddit, and that’s where it really blew up. And there was a user on the boards, Maxwell Hill, that users associated with Colleen Maxwell.
And they actually tipped off the FBI, they think Colleen Maxwell is like, is commenting on Pizzagate on Reddit.
Oh my gosh.
So this crazy theory that I don’t buy into is that Epstein actually used Pool to orchestrate Pizzagate, like that he worked with him all to make conspiracy theories sound like lunatics.
So like, if this story comes out and it’s crazy, they’re like, these crazy people believed this. And then this other story comes out about child pedophilia. They’re like, it’s just like Pizzagate.
It’s crazy, couldn’t happen, right? So that is a theory that’s circulating that this Epstein is really behind Pizzagate, and it’s all to kind of cover up what he did.
So you believe Pizzagate’s real?
No, I don’t believe. Pizzagate is pretty much accepted as not being real. I mean, there’s still some fringe conspiracy, right?
But as not being real. But the theory is that like Pizzagate was all started. Do we believe that Pizzagate was all started by Epstein as a distractor?
I think I need to see the timeline.
Because was he already using pizza as a code word prior to Pizzagate?
I think, no, it sounds like maybe about two years after Pizzagate is when we started getting these code words. So some people are like, he’s laughing at us.
I think it’s just like a, I think there’s probably pedophile language out there that none of us know about because we’re not pedophiles, right?
Because pizza is definitely a known one.
Also, yeah, and also are they leaning into this, into these codes. So here are some of the codes. Pizza is thought to mean a girl or a young female.
Cheese pizza could either be a little girl or child pornography. They talk about hot dogs, which they think could be a boy. Pasta could be a little boy.
Ice cream could be a male prostitute. Walnut, a person of color. Sauce, interpreted as an orgy.
Map, interpreted as semen. Grape soda. I saw theories that it could be like a salt.
No.
But I also thought it could be like purple drank, right?
It could be like drugs, let’s drug them. Oreo, which might be like a racial depiction. Or coconuts could be young girls.
These were all the phrases that came up. There’s no overt talk of like pedophilia, but everything is just so oddly worded. So he writes, Thanks for letting me visit Kirkland Elementary.
I did not get the pistachio ice cream, but maybe next time. To which the reply was, Sorry about the ice cream. No.
Oh, no. There’s an email, Thanks for the books. The pistachio ice cream didn’t make it.
An alleged co-conspirator, Nadia, she helped set up transportation for his trafficking, but has been missing since last year. She wrote, I ordered some sweet young coconuts from Thailand for you.
So you don’t have to drink juices from old hairy things. Oh my God.
No.
Someone wrote, Was someone able to find fresh coconuts with milk? Epstein was asking.
No.
Will you be taking Oreo ice cream to Paris? Jeffrey would like sushi and Oreo ice cream organized. Again, these all sound like code words, right?
They’re 100 percent code words, I don’t think.
I think my takeaway as we wrap up this conversation here about the Pizzagate is that I don’t believe Pizzagate is real.
I don’t believe that Epstein set up Pizzagate to cover for himself. But I think he definitely was laughing about it after the fact and was using these code words that I think maybe all pedophiles use. I mean, I don’t know.
If anyone tells.
It sounds like they all freaking speak the same language.
Let us know. Yeah.
Of course you’re speaking the same language.
57:47
Rico Jimenez Claims
Then the last thing I wanted to talk about today was Gabriela Rico Jimenez, because this is where we’re popping off for this.
Yeah.
That’s what a lot of people have engaged with us about.
I think a lot of people were not very happy with our episode. So as a recap, and again, you can go back and listen to that episode if you haven’t listened to it.
But the story is that on August 4th, 2009, a local news channel in Mexico aired footage of a tall young woman. They said she was a model.
She was in front of a luxury hotel making accusations toward young, powerful people including kidnapping, murder, and cannibalism. In the clip, she is seen being escorted away by police officers, but she was not seen or heard from.
After that, she said, I was in Mexico City for a year and four months. All this began in mid-2001. I barely remember.
They were young and powerful and they killed them. I’ve been knocking on doors. What I wanted was my freedom.
I want my freedom. Carlos Slim, who was a Mexican billionaire, knew about this. I want my freedom.
It hurts my soul. And they took him away.
It always just creeps me out when you hear a chance to say.
They have already taken me to the police station. And there they told me that they knew nothing. They told me, who did they kill?
The Queen of England, the Queen of Germany? Did they kill the princesses and Mickey Mouse? They killed a lot of people.
Death to that kind of human. Go away. They ate humans.
Disgusting, they ate humans. I was not aware of anything of the murders, yes, but they ate humans. Humans, they smell like human flesh.
Again, you can go back and listen to the whole deep dive. But we looked into that video and we determined that Gabriela Rico Jimenez was not a famous Mexican model. There’s no record of her existed.
Some people have commented like, well, wouldn’t the media cover this up if the media was involved? But I feel like no one has an old magazine laying around with her picture on it, or like no one remembers seeing her.
Anyway, I still stand by, I have reviewed it and I maintain my stance on Gabriela Rico Jimenez. I think she was a poor woman. Having a break.
Having a psychiatric break. But the reason that she has come back in is because people are making allegations that the files discuss cannibalism. That cannibal appears 52 times in the Epstein Files, cannibalism is mentioned six times.
That’s what we’re going to talk about.
They’re eating people.
But I don’t think they are.
That’s crazy.
Have you seen anything about eating people?
Have you seen the movie Flesh?
Have you seen the picture?
I haven’t seen the picture, but I have heard of, I have scrolled past reels where you guys, you’re not going to believe what’s in the Epstein Files.
They’re eating people, cannibalism, just like what you just said, top surface stuff and I was like, oh my gosh.
When I talk about the links to cannibalism, like that came up in the files, again, there’s only one story in the files that is even close to this, and it was a tip that was deemed to be unverified.
This man left a tip and he alleged, this is a quote, he was a victim of a type of ritualistic sacrifice in which his feet were cut with a skimitar but left no scarring.
On the yacht, he witnessed babies being dismembered, their intestines removed, and individuals eating the feces from these intestines. So that’s the whole story. Nowhere in the world does even talk about cannibalism.
This is talking about eating fecal matter.
That’s weird. Yeah.
Also, my feet were cut but there’s no scarring. That’s really convenient.
What do you mean by that?
And the DOJ records show that he did not provide any evidence to support his claims.
That’s the only reference to cannibalism?
Yes. Well, for the most part. And then I’ll tell you about, there were a couple of other weird things that I can’t really explain.
There was this one email attributed to Jeffrey Epstein that says, There are millions of babies, very little good vegetable cream cheese. And then someone responds, LOL, I don’t know if cream cheese and baby are in the same level.
And I got to be honest, I don’t know what to make of that. Probably codes for something.
It sounds like a code.
And then there was an email about jerky. The people were like, this is code for something. But this email came from Francis Derby, who was Epstein’s chef.
He emailed a radioactive person, just wanted to touch base about jerky. Epstein said he was going to start eating regular food again, so he might be eating less jerky.
That being said, he has six bags of it in the downstairs freezer for the next trip. I believe it should be enough to get him through. Any other questions, please let me know.
Was he just eating jerky?
But I think he was.
No, that’s…
no way. That’s code.
Was it keto?
No! Yes, it was 2012. I think he was on a paleo diet.
2020…
No, I think that might be real.
Yeah, I think this is from his chef. And he’s saying like he’s going to start eating real food, but if he needs it, there’s jerky. And I looked it up, 2012, what was the number one fad diet of 2012?
Paleo.
I bet he was. I bet he was.
Yes, I bet he was like-
Are there pictures of him looking wicked skinny?
He was kind of buff, I thought. Not so much in his depth.
I could see that being real.
I think that was a real food diet.
Of anything that you had read.
That’s the only one that sounds like it could be a real food.
And not a code.
Yeah, and it’s like from his chef who probably has to make sure he’s got his snacks.
We have no idea.
There is a photo that has been circulating that is, it looks like a baby’s leg between two chickens.
No.
Like baked, like rotisserie chickens?
No.
Oh, yeah.
And that’s the other thing that’s gone viral?
AI?
No. Well, it’s a guy, this artist came out and he’s like, I mean, it’s disgusting, it’s revolting, but he’s like, I’m like a graphic artist and I made that in like, I don’t remember exactly, don’t quote me on this, like 2001, 2002 or something.
He’s like, that’s my photo, but it has nothing to do with Epstein. But again, anything can just be in these files.
If it was tipped.
Yeah, if someone said something. So I see no proof proof of cannibals. And the only reference in there is this one tip where the guy talks about eating fecal matter, which isn’t even about eating people.
If they excluded the tips and kept in the real hard documents.
Yeah. Half of what we got is tips, it sounds like.
Yeah. Well, I think again, that’s mostly what’s circulating on Instagram are all based on tips. It’s like, yeah, it’s like that, Kate, your name showed up.
But someone might have just said, Kate was at a party with 500 other people, you know?
I was going to say one of the news people that I follow, she is like, so my name is in the Epstein Files and this is why. It was like the same thing, tips. Yeah.
Well, we’re going to talk about this connection next week.
Leon Black is a terrible human being, we’ll talk about him, but he owns Apollo, which is a company which owns hundreds of companies including Shutterfly, which owns Lifetouch.
All of a sudden, people are like, Lifetouch, which is the person who takes the pictures of your children in schools.
Yes. Oh my gosh.
I saw that.
But I’m like, really, it’s so far down the line. I don’t know that there’s any association or didn’t they say, they said the CEO of Chuck E. Cheese, his name was there being listed in working for some company.
But it’s like, there’s nothing actually about he did anything or he was anywhere. It’s just like, you work for a company and your company supported a foundation that he also supported and now.
Again, I said a lot of commenters told us to look up other people, Karen Molder, Sasha Riley. I did that. I looked into it, guys.
I hear you. But I still don’t believe Gabriela Rico Jimenez was a model.
No.
I still don’t think she was at an Epstein party, and I don’t think that cannibalism is happening. I haven’t seen, prove me wrong, guys. Send me some fairy-fellowsm is happening.
But I don’t think it was happening there.
No.
I think Epstein just seemed into young girls.
I mean, you know that guy.
Armie Hammer. Because his family owns the Arm and Hammer. Yeah.
The whole thing. Wait.
Is Armie Hammer a show name?
No, it’s his name, but his family owns Arm and Hammer.
What a horrible name if they also own.
I feel like we talked about this in a podcast because why else would I have known this?
Are you serious?
Yeah, I’m serious.
All right.
We’re going to leave you guys there. Do you guys have any final thoughts before we sign off?
There’s a part two.
Yeah.
We’re not done.
No.
This was really just laying the background. Again, I think a couple of people have reached out and said, what do you think of Pizzagate? Has your opinion changed of Gabriela Rico Jimenez?
We wanted to start here and I think we wanted to talk about, the death has been very controversial, so we want to talk about that. But come back next week, we’ll dive deeper into the files, and we’ll talk about some of the things we saw.
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