Hello. Welcome back to the podcast. Happy Tuesday. Um, hope you guys enjoyed the rapid fire last week. I I for one know that I had a very happy little boy because he heard his heard his own voice on the podcast. So excellent. Yeah. So since we were last together, yeah, as predicted, the uh Lindsay Clancy trial ended in a hung jury, but a little more dramatic than we thought. So way more dramatic. I hope, I hope the lone uh juror who sounds like he was on a power trip. I it sounds like he actually came in with pre-bias. Yeah, they said he didn’t take a single note, he didn’t read any of the instructions and everyone else was, and I it sounds like you could feel the tension between the other jurors and him. So we don’t know yet what’s gonna happen. They’re gonna reconvene later this month and go from there. I kind of hope they don’t, I hope they don’t retry her. I hope they just like do a plea deal and go from there. All this is to say that I don’t feel like we really dove as deep into the the third theory as I would have liked to. The holes in her story. I think Kate kind of hit on the fact that you know patients get delirious and do we believe the memories and and her admission? But um Yeah, so I think we’re gonna have to circle back at some point, but maybe once we know where the trial’s going and and what’s next. Uh I mean, Reddick made Reddington? Reddington. Reddick. Reddington made a um like a statement about the internet theories about Patrick Clancy. I I think it was a pretty non-committal statement. I mean, also he’s a lawyer. He’s like, I don’t want to get sued. Also, he’s he’s not gonna he’s not gonna kiosh anything that is maybe helping the public opinion of his client, right? Right. But I definitely I think there’s some we debunked a lot of the holes that have been circulating on social media, but definitely there’s still holes. Yeah. Uh and I think maybe we can we can bring our medical expertise when we talk about the injuries that she sustained and and that kind of thing. Yeah. So more to come, everyone. Stay tuned on that one.

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I keep meaning to send you a recording, Megan, because um my aunt and my cousin was listening to our episode on their road trip from New Jersey to Kit Cod and had raving reviews. Um, I think you just would have liked to hear it. You also should tell them they should go ahead and go to Apple Podcasts or Spotify and leave that review. So my brother and sister-in-law both listened to the Clancy episode uh when I was with them this weekend. And I guess they both were like, honestly, I was like, I I saw this happening and I just thought it was sort of like open and close. I didn’t know why there was so much drama. So they listened, and I think I think I piqued their interest. But they both listened to us on 1.5. And I was shocked. Listen to us on 1.5, and I said, Oh my gosh, Megan talks so fast in real life. Yeah, he goes, Oh yeah, Megan sounds like she is really, really fast. And I was like, She was like, he was like, but you guys, Kate, you need to speed up. I usually listen at 1.5, but I think I do speak very fast. So I’m like, no one needs to go three, no one needs to go 1.5 because I already am 1.5. And my brother was like, I have an 18-minute commute. So if I’m gonna get this, get through this episode, it’s gotta be 1.5. I listen to I’ll give you my a lot of my audiobooks at like 1.7. Yeah, well, they’re real slow. So is it time for our drink check drink check? Let’s get into our drink check because we’re doing something fun this week. We are virtually recording, but I texted everybody a drink recipe. We are going to talk about movies, including Harry Potter. And so I found four Harry Potter drinks, and we’re all gonna reveal we were supposed to make whatever our house is, and we’re gonna reveal it now. I had to ask Kate what house I was, because I don’t know about Harry Potter. And then I then I went online and took a quiz which did confirm. I am drinking. Are you ready, drumroll, please? Yep. Oh, Megan, you’re Ravenclaw. I have vodka lemon juice and blueberry jam shaken together. Uh, it’s delightful. Um Megan, I think you were you’re a very borderline. I see Megan as a Ravenclaw, but yeah, I see Megan as a Ravenclaw. That’s your main, but I also wouldn’t have been shocked if you told me you were Slytherin. Because of your ambition. Agree and the need to be right. Slytherin is bad. No. No. There’s some good Slytherins out there. Yeah, Megan, that’s a deception of the show. They want you to feel like that. Um, don’t worry about it. Um, okay, Kate, let’s see your color. What color? Yeah. What are you holding up, Kate? I’m holding up a Cosmo. I don’t know if I’m actually a Gryffindor. Uh, I always test Ravenclaw. Like every single time I test Ravenclaw, but in the spirit of uh having three different drinks, yeah. Gryffindor. The only time, so um, you know, Ravenclaw is like they’re wise, right? That’s that’s they’re bookish and wise and nerdy. And I think all three of us fit that care category. But one time I was discussing this with my friend Stephanie, our friend Stephanie, and she was like, Kate, are you kidding me? You run towards danger. No, I don’t. And she was like, Yes, you do. And so that is the one thing that’s kind of like skewed my perception, like maybe, but I don’t know. If they put the sorting hat on my head, like, would he be like having an internal dialogue with like he did with Harry? And and I’d be like, uh, not Gryffindor, not Gryffindor, not Gryffindor. And he was like, Okay, but you could be a really good one. But if you don’t want to be Gryffindor, I guess you’re a Ravenclaw. You know what I mean? All right, and Colleen, what do you have, Colleen? Megan and I are the same. Oh, we got another Ravenclaw. Kate seems to think I’m a Hufflepuff. Um, I think I’m a Ravenclaw, but I went along with the thing that there were three different things, Colleen. And you went along with the rules. What I tested. We should all be drinking a we’re all Ravenclaw, lemon juice, blueberry jam, and and vodka. I didn’t want the Hufflepuff, right? Why do you think she’s a Hufflepuff, Kate? Yeah. Because she’s loyal and her friends always come first. Yeah. That sounds like you, Colleen. Yeah, but I don’t think that’s I don’t think that’s my core. I think that’s how I present. I’m actually with Kate on this. No, I mean nothing about the Hufflepuffs. Colleen is the queen. You don’t think I’m bookish? Colleen will be like, I’m so exhausted, I haven’t slept in days. I’m like, well, go home and take a nap. And she’s like, I can’t. I have to babysit for my friends’ kids, or I have to dog sit, or I have to drive 40 minutes to water plants for someone, or like, you are such a my friends come first kind of person. Yeah. I don’t think Hufflepuff is a bad thing. And I think that they get a bad rap. Why do they because everyone’s like, oh, Hufflepuff is just like mid, like you’re Ohio, you’re mid, but it’s not true. A Hufflepuff is Is there a character I would know who was a Hufflepuff? Well, Cedric Diggory. Have you seen Goblet of Fire? Thank you. Oh, Kelly. That was a great A Miss Diggory. It’s heartbreaking. Uh Cedric Diggory dies at the end of Goblet of Fire. I’m not even gonna say spoiler alert because if you haven’t, but it’s been 25 years, guys. But maybe you can watch the new series coming out on HBO, Megan. Mm-hmm. Well, if anybody out there wants to know, the Hufflepuff drink was rum, pineapple, lemon, lime, lime, and simple syrup. And if we had a Slytherin in this group, it’d be gin, lime juice, and simple syrup. I mean, Colleen, I guess you could qualify as like a Luna Lovegood. That’s what I’ve been telling you guys. Who’s Luna Lovegood? Who’s the one who gets locked out of her dorm all the time because she doesn’t know the riddle? And she’s a Ravenclaw. Ravenclaw. Okay. But I feel like Luna doesn’t have friends, and that’s what kind of like makes her sort of like a loner type. It took her a while to get close friends. Yeah. Like I think she has friends that are important to her, but like I feel like I kind of relate to that in a way. Well, this has been an interesting conversation. Again, I wish I had more Harry Potter knowledge, but let’s just get into it. And we’re gonna circle back to some Harry Potter discussion in just a moment, okay? In love. You know that feeling when you re-watch a movie you loved as a kid and suddenly realize, wait a minute, this is actually kind of messed up. Because what if some of the movies we know and love aren’t actually about what we think they’re about? Oh. What if Sandy didn’t survive the beginning of Greece and the entire movie is actually her dying fantasy? Oh. What if Ferris Bueller doesn’t actually exist and he’s just the fearless, charismatic alter ego Cameron created to cope with his miserable life? Oh. And perhaps most devastating of all for Kate and Colleen, what if Harry Potter never received a letter from Hogwarts? What if an abused, isolated 11-year-old boy locked underneath the staircase, created an entire fantasy world where he discovered that he wasn’t unwanted or ordinary at all. He was special, he was famous, his parents didn’t abandon him, they died protecting him, and one day a giant literally smashed the door and rescued him from the people who had made his life miserable. Meanwhile, back in reality, Harry is still in the cupboard under the stairs. Today, we’re diving into some of the wildest movie reinterpretations and fan theories on the internet. Some are surprisingly convincing, some solve plot holes that have bothered people for decades, and some require the kind of mental gymnastics that we deeply respect here at Three Scheme Queens. So grab your popcorn, suspend your disbelief, and prepare to never watch your favorite movies the same way again. Are you guys clear on the goal of the episode here? Movies that are probably about something else. But I think some of these are just a lot of these like Reddit theories. Like really, my sources are all Reddit for this episode. And I and I think we can decide for ourselves whether or not we actually believe the alternate theory. So I think I’m gonna just run through some movies. I’ll give you the quick IMDB synopsis. Some of these I haven’t seen. So hopefully you guys can speak to them. I’m sure there’ll be some you guys haven’t seen. But we’ll start with the big one. We are gonna start with Harry Potter. The premise is an orphan boy mistreated by his relatives discovered he’s a wizard. He receives a letter to attend Hogwarts school, where he finds friendship, magic, and adventure, finally discovering the home and love he was always meant to have. You’re a wizard, Addy. Okay. This theory is that Harry never really escapes the Dursleys. He’s an abused, isolated child, and he creates Hogwarts as an elaborate fantasy in which he discovers he’s special, powerful, wealthy, famous, and surrounded by people who love him. Voldemort becomes a manifestation of his trauma while Hogwarts is his psychological escape. A darker version says Harry eventually ends up institutionalized, and the entire series takes place inside his mind. All I’m gonna say is I’ve read fanfics about this. Oh, so you are familiar with this. No, it’s like a thing where everybody’s like, he’s really just abuse. Well, it does really this fantasy really would fix everything wrong in his life. So again, like I said, it’s instead of being worthless, he’s the most famous child in the wizarding world. His parents didn’t leave him, but they heroically saved him and died. Uh, he doesn’t have friends and suddenly has two fiercely loyal best friends. The horrible family keeping him under the stairs are actually terrified of his power. And again, as I said, his rescue fantasy begins with an enormous man literally breaking down the door and saying, Essentially, Harry, you are special and these people have been lying to you. Would he make himself a whore crux? If this is his fantasy, why would he be like every single year I’m trying to be killed? Well, because he probably wants to die a little bit. I hate this theory. What is a horror crux? So Voldemort did this really dark magic where he split his soul into eight pieces. Yeah, so that he couldn’t die. So they had to kill all the whore cruxes to eventually kill him. Spoiler alert for the seventh book. Spoiler alert, Harry’s one of them. And Foldemore didn’t really understand that. No, no. I I don’t like this theory because I like the idea. I’m sorry. As somebody, some b someone who read the books as they were coming out, who like went at midnight. I don’t think that is the peak book experience. You know what, Colleen? You saw the movies before you read the books. Uh-uh. Not the last one. I went to the midnight preview of the last one because I read the book first. I’m not that young. Okay, but I waited in line at midnight since the fourth book. Bobble to Fire, Order of Phoenix, Half Blood Prince, and then what’s the last one? Deathly Hallows? Yeah. It was Peak Book. Well, it can still it can still be a great book and just be I no, that completely ruins it. If Harry isn’t actually a like a wizard, if Hogwarts doesn’t actually exist, it definitely makes the story a lot more depressing. If Hermione wasn’t a real person, if Ron wasn’t a real person, if Hagrid wasn’t a real person, all of these adventures, like they mean nothing. And that whoever thought of this series freaking sucks. Why would you ruin it for people? The one thing that kind of destroys this theory is the fact that apparently the book sometimes leaves Harry’s perspective. Is that correct? Uh like intros of the book is sometimes written in like a narrative narrator. It says the books occasionally leave Harry’s perspective, but only in the intro. Well, there’s a in the in Half-Blood Prince, you follow Severus. And the snake. At one point, we’re the snake, right? Nagini, yeah. Yeah. Are we in the eyes of Nagini when we’re target when it’s Severus? No, like sometimes he falls into like dreams and we are the eyes of the snake. But in Half Blood Prince, when Severus is going to make the promise with Draco’s mom, is it in Severus’s perspective or is it still in Nagini’s perspective? I gotta do a reread now. Let’s do a reread together once Kate gets through her like 7,000 pages. I’m almost there. I well oh my god, it’s actually really impressive, Kate. Reread of the Athasar’s theory. Yeah, yeah. It’s so good. Oh so you guys aren’t buying this theory, Colleen? Yeah. No, because I believe in fiction. I don’t believe in it because that’s that’s the worst, and that person sucks. Okay. I said what I said. Film two, Grease. Okay. IMDB synopsis. Good girl Sandy Olsen and Greaser Danny Zucco fell in love over the summer. When they unexpectedly discover they’re now in the same high school, will they be able to rekindle their romance? So, at the beginning of Greece, Danny and Sandy talk about meeting at the beach in summer nights. Danny says he saved her because she nearly drowned, right? From the song. So the theory is he didn’t. That Sandy drowned, and everything afterward is an elaborate fantasy as she dies. She gets the perfect boyfriend, the cool friends, transforms into the version of herself everyone wants, and then at the end, Danny and Sandy’s car flies into the sky. Why? Because Sandy is going to heaven. I would say there’s a lot of heartache for Sandy. Getting the perfect boyfriend. I wouldn’t call Danny Zuko the perfect boyfriend. No, I wouldn’t do that either. And I wouldn’t say like she’s becoming the version of herself that she wants to be, because I think she’s becoming the version of herself he wants her to be. Well, that’s what’s wrong with the whole movie, right? Yeah. She only wins him over once she changes herself. Tell me about it. Stud. Yeah, because that’s how it ends, isn’t it? She changes Also, does she need a man? No. You know? That’s not very feminist. The whole movie’s not very feminine. No, it the the whole movie is very anti-feminist. Like clear. Because also Zuko, the way he treats Rizzo, is horrible. Whom we cannot wait to see in Practical Magic 2 this week, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I forgot that she was even in there. Me too. Well, actually, this one we can debunk because creator Jim Jacobson said the theory is nonsense and that the flying car was just supposed to be a nod to the 1950s driving culture and be like a visual reputation of like a happy ending. Like, look, they’re happily ever after. Not real. And I think this is really lame. And I hope that, yeah, I hope that when you’re dying, you’re not, it’s not like it’s not like you are like, are you or are you not going to be with this perfect, quote, perfect guy? Yeah. Definitely. And you’re not like being bullied because of your dresses that you put at school. Yeah. Yeah. What was wrong with her? She cared about her academics. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. All right. Number three, Ferris Bueller, a brash cocky high school senior, tired of skipping school to spend a boring day at home, is determined to enjoy an epic day roaring around his favorite Chicago sites, enlisting his best friend and girlfriend to join him on the adventure. This theory is that Ferris is everything Cameron isn’t. Confident, popular, fearless, charming, rebellious, sexually confident, and completely unconcerned with authority. Cameron is anxious, sickly, lonely, and terrified of his father. The entire day is Cameron finally doing everything he’s afraid to do, but mentally attributing these actions to Ferris. And notice who actually gets the character arc. Not Ferris, but Cameron. The movie culminates not with Ferris confronting his parents, but with Cameron destroying his father’s prize Ferrari and finally deciding he’s going to stand up to him. The vast amount of Chicago ground covered in a single afternoon, including fancy restaurants, Wrigley Field, a parade, and art museums, is just too large for one day. So that kind of leads to this thought that, like, again, maybe this was really just Cameron’s expansive daydream. So Ferris doesn’t exist. Correct. It’s think of it like Fight Club. I’ve never seen Fight Club. Okay. Fight Club and Fight Club, there’s these two guys the whole time, and then you find out at the end, spoiler, that Brad Pitt is really like his his alter ego. Yeah. It’s been on my my TBW. Well, I just spoiled the whole the whole movie for you. This theory is that this is sort of a fight club-esque, and that like Ferris is really just Cameron’s who Cameron wants to be, and he’s having this whole fantasy of doing all things he would want to do that he he’s too afraid to do, but he’s doing them under the guise of Ferris. Um I feel like I could see this one. Mostly because of the argument, how it is, it ends up being mostly about now. Granted, I haven’t seen this movie in a real long time. Um, I think Ferris Bueller is the way it’s supposed to be in the film. And I think that there are a lot of people out there who want it to be more indie than what it is. I mean, I think it would, I think that’s a cool interpretation. I think that is great for a literature like analysis paper, but like I don’t think that the writers or the director was trying to portray that in the film. So it’s a cool, it’s a cool take. It’s however not the message I think that we were supposed to be get getting as a viewer. What was the message? Have fun. It was just a fun day for Ferris Bueller. Also, like movies do that all the time where they like put all this like stuff in that you can’t do in a whole day. I mean, Game of Thrones, the way they traveled in season five, or season six and season seven. Come on. Next up, I think Kate is really gonna like this one. Oh, is it time travel? Is it Marvel? It always goes back to Marvel. It is not Marvel, oh, but it is time travel. Okay. So we’re talking about the Titanic. Oh a 17-year-old aristocrat falls in love with a kind but poor artist aboard the luxurious, ill-fated RMS Titanic. This theory is that Jack had to travel back in time to 1912 to stop Rose from killing herself. Because if Rose jumped from the stern, the ship would have to stop and search for her, and that delay could alter Titanic’s position or timing enough that it doesn’t hit the iceberg as history recorded. So his mission isn’t to save the Titanic, it’s to make sure the Titanic sinks. And in order to do that, he would have had to travel through time, seduce Kate Winslett, freeze to death, and kill 1500 people to preserve the space-time continually. Whoa. Where this theory comes from. Do you believe it, Kate? Before I even get into the detail. I uh love this theory. I love it. He mentions a lot of things that actually don’t exist yet. Okay. Okay. So he talks about fishing on Lake Wasoda, even though the man-made lake wasn’t created until 1917, which was five years after the Titanic sank. He promises to take Rose to ride the roller coaster on the Santa Monica Pier, which didn’t feature that attraction until 1916 or 1917. His haircut, the cigarettes he smokes, and his rucksack, which is similar to a Swedish military style popularized around 1939, are out of place for the early 1900s. He has no money from the era and has to win his ticket in a poker game, leaving no official records of his existence prior to boarding. I believe this one. This is really cool. I like this idea. I actually think it’s less tragic, and I like that it’s less tragic. I think he knew what he was doing. And also when he dies, does that mean he’s like, did he not really die? Like, did he go on this? Was it like a like a, you know, Natasha Romanoff, like he took the assignment knowing that he was gonna die and doing it on the world. For the world? Yeah. What was his thought process? You know, like, okay, I want the backstory. Like, like, is Jack with his fan his crew, and they’re like, the only way this meteor doesn’t hit our earth and destroy all of the population is that you have to go back in time and make sure this girl doesn’t jump off a boat because the Titanic has to happen. And if he does that and he’s sacrifice, he’s like, Yes, I’ll do it, whatever it takes. And then he gets there and he like dies that’s a hero, you know, but like not that tragic. Anyway, I like this idea. So is this meaning that like Jack and Rose were real? I’m having like like inception problems right now. I mean it’s like a real life titanic theory. I know that that was probably should have been like more clear to me from the very beginning. Thorn felt real. Yeah, it’s our it’s our Ravenclaw moment right there. Yeah, I was like, what is happening here? Yeah, no, I think this is probably just a really I don’t say poorly written because obviously it was a great I saw it like six times in theaters, but but oh Megan, you’ve worked the Titanic fan out of all of us. So, like, does this piss you off? It doesn’t piss me off. I just think it was like it was again, I don’t want to say poor writing because in general Titanic is one of the greatest films ever made, right? But it just feels like some sloppy fact-checking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know who didn’t write that? A Virgo. They’d have been fact-checking all of that, yeah, yeah. I’m just very pro more Titanic conspiracies, so I wanted that one to be like a real life one. I gotcha. If you could prove that it was like an actual insurance fraud, and they wanted to get the money, and they were like, you have to go back for us, Rockefellers, you know? Yeah. Finding Nemo. Oh, mm-hmm. I know this one. After his son is captured in the Great Barrier Reef and taken to Sydney, a timid clownfish sets out on a journey to bring him home. The theory says the Barracuda attack at the beginning kills Coral and all of the eggs, including Nemo. Everything afterward represents Marlin going through the stages of grief. He begins in denial, insisting one egg survived. His journey supposedly then moves through anger, bargaining, despair, and eventually acceptance. Nemo means no one in Latin. So finding Nemo becomes finding no one, and that’s the story. Kate, you took you took Latin, right? Mm-hmm. How do you say no one in Latin? That’s a great question. I did that when I was 18 years old. That’s 20 years ago. My Google search tell me tells me that Nemo does in fact mean no one in Latin. So that’s really sad. But does it also mean something else in another language? Yeah, what does Nemo mean in like, I don’t know, aquatic? In aquatic language? Well, in mermaid language. I can interpret for the whales. It has I think because I thought, isn’t Finding Nemo supposed to be like based on the Odyssey? I am not. I guess I’m not a Ravenclaw. I did not think that deep. Also couldn’t watch Nemo because it was so stressful. I couldn’t watch it in one sitting. I would get too anxious. Well, you probably watch it now. Yes, the Finding Nemo is is supposed to be based on the Odyssey. And in the Odyssey, uh Odysseus tricked the Cyclops by telling him his name was Nobody. So anyway, Nemo is supposed to reference that. Oh, there you go. I don’t love this idea. I do like finding Nemo. And I like that he makes it home.

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And I like his little journey, and I like that he hangs out with the turtles. And also, if it was just about Marlon’s like grief, wouldn’t we only see things through Marlon’s perspective? We follow Nemo a lot. It’s not just Marlon and Dory, you know? Yes. Nemo. Nemo’s a main character. So, and it’s not like I see dead people, you know. Next up, we have Peter Pan. Wendy and her brothers are whisked away to the magical world of Neverland with the hero of their stories, Peter Pan. According to this theory, the reason kids in Neverland never grow up isn’t because of fairy dust and magic, it’s because they are dead. Peter Pan’s job is to act as a gentle grim reaper for children who have died prematurely, and Neverland represents a child’s version of heaven. Instead of clouds and harps, it is a place perfectly tailored to a young Edwardian child’s imagination, filled with mermaids, pirates, indigenous tribes, and fairies. The lost boys are exactly that, the souls of children who were lost too soon. In JM Berry’s original novel, there is actually a line that explicitly states Peter goes part of the way with dead children so they won’t be frightened. If Peter is the angel of death, Captain Hook might represent an adult who narrowly escaped death, perhaps surviving the jaws of the crocodile, and is now trapped in a child’s purgatory, forever fighting the inevitable. The most compelling piece of evidence for this theory in real life, the author, J.M. Barry, lost his older brother David in an ice skating accident a day before his 14th birthday. Barry was only six. So his brother died prematurely. Their mother was completely destroyed by the loss, and to cope with the trauma, she took comfort in the idea that David would forever remain a young, innocent boy in her mind and would never have to face the harsh realities of adulthood. Again, the theory is that he essentially write Peter Pan as a manifestation of his mother’s grief as a tribute to the boy who was permanently frozen in time by death. Well, and also didn’t Peter Pan Peter Pan can’t like exist outside of Neverland, right? Isn’t that like the No, he has the choice to come back, but he chooses to stay there. I’m getting so many things mixed up because Hook is like in my head. Like Peter Pan has been told so many different times. Hook was my favorite. Hook was one of my favorites. And also, like, so then there’s also like Once Upon a Time retelling of Peter Pan and Hook. Anyway. And there’s the one with the cute guy. Yeah, I know that that’s like the Peter Pan movie. I I don’t think Peter Pan’s a good guy. So no, he doesn’t want to grow up. You gotta grow up, you know? So I don’t think that like, and like stealing kids out of their houses. Yeah. You know, keeping the lost boys. Like, I don’t think that like I like the I like the theory. I like that that that is I I like that that I like that theory. I won’t go into my character analysis of Peter Pan, but I I like that theory. Um, I was a huge Tinkerbell fan, and the whole Tinkerbell world had so much backstory to it that I don’t think I can believe this conspiracy. There’s like seven movies about Tinkerbell. Okay. I actually don’t, I mean, I believe this, and I don’t think that it’s a uh conspiracy? Yeah, it’s because it said it feels like Line Witch in the wardrobe that is actually like a metaphor for religion, right? Yeah. And I feel like that’s how it was written, and that’s the point. And that’s just like good literature is that what you’re talking about is not literally what you’re talking about, right? Yeah. So I agree. I believe this just seems like this is just like an unknown fact that JM Barry was inspired by his brother, and that that’s what he really, you know, that was the true meaning of the tale. So yeah, I like that. Next I got one of Kate’s favorite films. Willy Wonka, Mataki Migrant. Freaking hate Willie. He is so freaking creepy. Um, isn’t it that he’s like on drums and like dripping on acid? I feel like that’s Alice in Wonderland. Oh, I thought it was Charlie and the Factor Track Factory, too. Do Willy Wonka, and then there’s Charlie and the Chalma Factory. They’re two different stories. I hate Alice in Wonderland, I hate Willowza and The Wizard of Oz. I hate all of those movies, and people are like, they’re classics, and I’m like, they’re terrifying. Imagine being hunted by a crazy psychotic queen, and you just keep having to go through smaller and smaller doorways. That’s terrifying. Why is that a kid’s movie? I hate it. Johnny Depp’s Willy Wonka or the actual original Charlie and the Chaco Factory. Hold on, can I just pop off for one second? Willy Wonka is the first one. Willy Wonka gives his factory to Charlie. I thought Wonka in the second one is Charlie from the first one. No. Never mind. Hold on. Let me let do you want to reel in that pop-off? I’m gonna let you take it. I’m gonna let you take it. Charlie and the Jacket Factory is the original movie. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is from 1971. And Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is the 2005 movie starring Johnny Depp. Wow, 2005. But Johnny Depp is Willy Wonka. Yeah. Okay. The premise is a poor but hopeful boy seeks one of the five coveted golden tickets that will send him on a tour of Willy Wonka’s mysterious chocolate factory. This theory, again, is that uh Slugworth, who works for Wonka, do you guys know who Slugworth is? Like the Nazi. He’s like a German bad guy. They don’t explicitly call him that, but I tell you. Charlie and the chocolate factory. So Slugworth, who works for Wonka, and the candy store owner, appears to guide Charlie and plant the winning ticket. The other four children are specifically chosen because their negative personality traits match the specific traps in the factory rooms. Augustus falls into exactly the chocolate river that leads into a pipe. Violet happens to receive experimental gum perfectly tailored to her obsession. Veruca encounters squirrels capable of physically removing her. Mike TV encounters technology capable of transmitting a human through television. And after each child disappears, Wonka is remarkably unconcerned. Then there’s the boat that has apparently exactly enough seeds remaining after Augustus is gone. So this theory argues that Wonka isn’t conducting a factory tour, he’s conducting an elimination tournament. And Charlie isn’t the kid who happens to survive. Willy Wonka orchestrated the contest so Charlie would win. There’s a side theory on Reddit that Willy Wonka is actually Charlie’s biological father, and he set up the contest to secretly pass down the factory without raising public suspicion. Or is he a sociopathic serial killer who got joy out of suffering? Wonka and the Oompa Loompa show zero concern or panic when the children face life-threatening hazards, and instead of helping, the Oompa Loompas immediately launch into choreographed musical numbers. Willie Wonka is a sociopath. You can never tell me no the whole time I watched, I was like, this is terri. Why is why are people just allowing this man to get away with this? This is horrible. Also, why would they have specifically tailored to their like poor that’s still murder? I’m sorry. None of them died. The one that blew up like a blueberry and floated away. I don’t know what happened to her. I don’t think they died. I thought the thing, everyone’s like, oh, this is a great movie. I’m like, no, this is terrifying. This is a terrifying thriller, actually. And it’s like a fun house, and everybody’s dying, but they get chocolate at the end. I hate it. I hate that movie. Hold that thought because you have to believe that he’s a sociopathic serial killer to go into the next theory I’m going to talk about. Which I believe he’s a sociopathic serial killer of children. Sorry, a couple of theories. There’s also a theory that this was all a dream. Started at the 29-minute mark when Grandpa Joe finally finds the strength to jump out of the bed and then all of it is a dream. Also, Colleen, what do you think about this? That Grandpa Joe is the true antagonist of the film. Was he faking his disability? Grandpa Joe claims to be bedridden for 20 years, forcing Charlie’s mother to work multiple jobs to support four bedridden adults. Yet the moment Charlie finds a golden ticket, Joe immediately jumps out of bed and performs a choreographed dance number. Despite the family starving and living on cabbage soup, Grandpa Joe reveals he has secretly saved enough money to buy Charlie a chocolate bar. Critics argue that he would have used the money over the years to buy food or medicine for the family. And he pushes Charlie to break the factory rule by drinking the fizzy lifting drinks. When they get caught and they lose the prize, Joe refuses to take accountability and instead curses at Willy Wonka. Grandpa Joe expects the focused remain entirely on him, even telling Charlie’s mother that he is the one going to the factory before Charlie even agrees to take him. Was Grandpa Joe near end of life? Are you gonna say he just got this burst of energy at the end of his life? Okay. If we go back to Kate, what Kate’s been saying, that leads into another theory about the film Snowpiercer, which was also made into a series. I’ve never seen this. Hold on. The one where they’re on a train? Yes. Oh my gosh. We watch wheels. We used to have a bad movie club, and we watched Snowpiercer in Bad Movie Club. Yeah, and they end up eating each other. So the premise is in a future where a failed climate change experiment has killed all life except for the survivors who boarded the Snowpiercer, which is a train that travels around the globe, a new class system emerges. And yes, they’re like in this like freezing apocalyptic world, and the train just never stops, right? It’s looping the world, Earth, over and over and over again. And like the caboose is the poor people, and the front is like the rich people, and the people in the caboose are eating sludge that’s given to them from the front of the train. And then you find out that they’re eating each other. So, according to theory, Wilford, the creator of the Eternal Train Engine, is actually a grown-up Charlie Bucket who changed his name to honor his mentor, Willy Wonka. Wilford, Willie, got it? Willie Wonka designed a glass elevator that could fly forever on imagination and candy making logic. So the theory suggests that Charlie scaled up this technology to build a train engine that runs indefinitely through a frozen wasteland. Both Wonka and Wilford use small children to maintain their operations. Wonka uses Umpa Loompus to clean hard-to-reach areas, while Wilford replaces broken train parts with young children who can fit under the floorboards. The layout of the snow piercer train perfectly mirrors Wonka’s factory. Passengers travel through a series of high-themed compartments, including an aquarium car, a meat car, and a drug-fueled party car before finally reaching the sacred engine room where the eccentric creator lives in isolation. Wilford’s eccentric yellow clad assistant Minister Mason, played by Tilda Switon, behaves exactly like a grown-up Oompa Loompa, serving as the eccentric spokesperson and enforcer for the Factory Master. Hold on. I think you’re on to something a little bit. It sounds like whoever wrote this movie used Willy Wonka as an inspiration. If you believe, Kate, that Willy Wonka is the worst person ever and he’s a sociopathic murder, then yeah, maybe he was inspired. Yeah. Sounds like that guy was like, wait, he’s on my page. He’s like, wait, this is actual, actually a nightmare. I don’t really understand. Do people actually like Charlie and the Chackle Factory? Actually, I mean, I like the music. Well, I’m not gonna go too deep into this one. I’ve got one sentence here, but this also goes into this talk about like sociopathic killers. There’s a home alone theory that he that Kevin grows up to become Jigsaw from the movie the Saw series. Have you seen I’ve never seen I’ve seen the scary movie comedy version of Saw. Bourbon Boy loves the Saw. I would not call them high-quality films, but yeah. No, yeah. Yeah. That’s the one with the little thing on the bike. Yeah. He’s like locked people in the room with these puzzles they have to solve, and then he kills them. And they die. And it’s like how Kevin, with all of his little, you know, scheming and plotting. Yeah. Kevin could be. No. He was defending himself, okay? He was defending himself. And in Home Alone 2, Lost in New York, he befriends the weird pigeon lady. Yeah. So he had some empathy. Yeah. I think he tries to he tries to get them off his back non-violently, and they just keep coming back. Well. And then he has no choice but to protect his house, but to be violent. Right? And like the and like the cardboard dance. Yeah, that’s what I mean. And like the yeah, filthy animals and all that. Yeah. This is this is not even really a theory. This is just something fun. The theory is that E.T. is from the Star Wars universe. Do you already know this fact, Kate? E.T. is about a troubled child who summons the courage to help a friendly alien escape from Earth and return to his home planet. In the movie E.T., I’ve not seen this in a very long time. Me neither, so long. But then I saw that’s only rated like PG, so I think the kids in our live should watch this. I do too. I was just thinking, why have we not watched E.T.? Uh maybe for this Halloween, our Halloween film fest. So in E.T., there is a kid dressed as Yoda on Halloween. Okay. Uh-huh. And E.T. gets excited. And so they’re like, E.T., how did E.T. know who Yoda was, right? Yeah. Then in the Phantom Menace, members of E.T.’s species appear in the Galactic Senate. The way this all started is that George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. I was about to say it’s Spielberg. Are buddies, right? It was like Steven Spielberg starts this in 1982 with E.T. and he has this little Easter egg of the Yoda, right? Yeah. Yeah. So then 17 years later, George Lucas promised to put E.T. into the future Star Wars film. So Phantom Menace happens. And during the large galactic senate sequence, three members of E.T. species, which are known officially asogians, can be seen sitting in one of the floating Senate pods. And their representative in the Senate was named Greb Leaps. Read Greb Leaps backwards, and you’ve got Spielberg. Oh, that’s fun. So this is actually just like two nerdy sci-fi directors giving a shout out to each other, you know? I love that. I love that. So watch for that next time you’re watching Star Wars or E.T. Yeah. Okay. I love that. That’s such a fun little fun fact. So let’s wrap this up with a Disney one we’ve all heard, and then the big Pixar, the grand Pixar theory, okay? The Disney one is that Tarzan is actually Frozen, Frozen’s Oh, I’ve heard that. You are close, Kate, but not quite. Oh, okay. The Disney theory is that Frozen, Tangled, and the Little Mermaid are all connected. Uh-huh. The theory is that Ellison Anna’s parents, the king and queen of Arendel and Frozen, left on a two-week sea voyage to attend the wedding of Rapunzel and Flynn, which is Tangled. And then the Tangled character Rapunzel and Flynn make a brief cameo appearance, walking through the gates during Elsa’s coronation in Frozen. Oh. The royal ship sank in the North Sea during a violent storm because Frozen is set near Norway and Tangled is inspired by Germany. A ship traveling between them would pass the waters of Denmark, where the Little Mermaid is set. So that sunken wooden ship explored by Ariel and Little Mermaid is the exact wreckage of Anna and Elsa’s parents. What do you guys think about that? Do you like it? I had only known about the like connection to Tarzan. I never heard of the Little Mermaid one. That feels a little bit more plausible. Well, somebody in an interview asked frozen co-director Chris Buck if this was real, if this was intentional. And he joked that the king and queen didn’t actually die in the shipwreck, but washed ashore on a jungle island and had a baby, implying that Tarzan is Ana and Elsa’s brother. So he just kind of fed into that. Yeah. So I guess she could believe that too. But I do kind of like that the the Little Mermaid Denmark is like, you know, it makes sense from Norway to Germany. And I like that. Yeah. I mean, they have like those those movies or like TV shows where all the princesses are together. I was just gonna say, did you not watch like the Disney Channel when um they would have crossover episodes? Yeah. But I mean, like, okay, so Little Mermaid is a very old story, right? I mean, were these around before before Disney though? Like Frozen is a Disney story, but Rapunzel is not, right? That’s an old fairy tale. Like a tale. I Tar Tarzan is an old tale, right? That precedes that precedes Disney. So I don’t know, maybe they go back too far, written by different people and they couldn’t actually be related. It’s a good through point to find all the movies, maybe. And like the person I didn’t even know. That the Little Mermaid was supposed to be in Denmark. Who knew that? I believe we talked about that maybe in our mermaid episode. I have no idea.

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Other thing we have is Aladdin. Okay. Oh. Have you guys heard this theory that Aladdin actually takes place in the future? So Aladdin follows a street smart young man who uses a magical genie to win the heart of Princess Jasmine and stop the evil Jafar. Jafar. Allegedly, Aladdin took place in the 15th century. Allegedly. But when the genie first emerges from the lamp, he complains that 10,000 years will give you such a crick in the neck.

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Well, so he implies he’s been trapped for 10,000 years. Yeah. Later, he tells Aladdin that his clothes are so third century. So if the genie was trapped in the third century and stayed there for 10,000 years, the movie would have to take place around 10,300 AD. However, throughout the movie, he constantly references 20th century pop culture, doing spot-on impressions of Jack Nicholson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ed Sullivan, and Groucho Marx. If the genie has been locked inside a lamp completely isolated from the world for 10,000 years, how does he know who Jack Nicholson is? The only logical explanation is that the genie was locked in the in the lamp after the 20th century. So if he went into the lamp around the 90s and stayed there for 10,000 years, that means a lead would have to take place around the year 11,992. And then if you believe this theory, that the magic in the movie is actually just highly advanced technology left over from the fallen human civilization. So the magic carpet isn’t an enchanted rug. It’s a centuries-old hoverboard or anti-gravity transport device. The Cave of Wonders, the tiger-shaped cave that demands the diamond in the rough, isn’t a magical entity. It is a highly advanced voice-activated biometric security vault designed to protect old world treasures and weapons from the wasteland scavengers. The genie himself could be a highly advanced AI utilizing futuristic nanotechnology to materialize objects and shapeshift at will. The lamp is just his charging port or hard drive. What do you think? No. Kate has been naughty no the entire time. I think that’s such a stretch. I also like Aladdin is a freaking kids movie. You think that we’re gonna sit there as children and be like, the G shouldn’t know Jack Nicholson. Well, hold on, hold on. Gay movies are yes for kids, but who has to watch them too? The pyro and mean it like that. I don’t mean it like that. Like Shrek has so many freaking adult double meetings. Yes. Like they are there is, but it’s gonna go over the kids’ head, right? But like what I mean to say is like who is sitting there as a critic and is like, this is not right, instead of being like, this is freaking funny, and let Robin Williams cook, you know what I mean? Yeah, let him cook. Well, the movies directors have denied this theory, so we have we have that, and then most fans and critics are saying, like, the genie was a magical cosmic being, so he would have omnipotence, right? He could see the past, present, and future, and that’s why he would know about all of these references to pop culture, so right. I I agree, we disagree, debunked. You can’t put genie in the box. Maybe Jack Nicholson was uh, you know, impersonating the genie. You ever think about that? Because it was in the past his whole life, he’s just been impersonating the genie. Maybe all right. Well, and do you want to move on to our big uh final massive theory? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The grand Pixar theory is a massive interconnected timeline popularized by film critic John Negroni. He’s like a whole website devoted to this theory, okay? Okay, it argues that every single Pixar film exists in the same universe, detailing an epic centuries-long struggle for dominance between humans, animals, and machines. This is like a linear timeline, and it starts in the prehistoric past and ends in the distant future. So the theory starts with the good dinosaur. So the premise of the good dinosaur, I’ve not seen it, is that an asteroid misses Earth, right? And then animals survive and evolve differently, gaining higher intelligence over millions of years. Then we fast forward to medieval Scotland in Brave. Magic is introduced to be a mysterious witch who can manipulate animals and objects like her living broom. This magic is the catalyst that allows animals to eventually talk and inanimate objects to become sentient. In the modern day, animals become highly intelligent, forming their own species and occasionally clashing with humans. Think Remy cooking ratatouille and the fish escaping and finding Nemo. Whoa. Simultaneously, machines gain sentience. In the Incredibles, Syndrome creates the Omnidroid, a highly advanced AI that learns and turns on its creator. During that time, the megacorporation by and large forms dominating human society and fueling rampant consumerism. Objects also realize they are alive, but they discover a crucial rule. They run on human emotion, specifically love and imagination. In the Toy Story franchise, we see toys grappling with their reliance on humans. When humans abandon them, they become bitter, like Lotso or Stinky Pete. BNL’s unchecked pollution destroys Earth’s environment, and the humans evacuate into space aboard massive starliners like the Axiom in WALL-E. WALL E. With the humans gone, the machines are left behind to run things. Cars take place during this humanless period. The machines adopt the personalities of their former human owners and create a global society, but it eventually collapses due to an energy crisis. Centuries later, Earth is a total wasteland inhabited only by WALL-E until humans finally return to plant a single seed. After humans return in WALLE, the world begins to heal. A bug’s life happens in this rebuilding era. Animals are now fully civilized, wearing hats, running cities, and building inventions with very few humans around. Thousands of years later, radiation and evolution cause the remaining animals to mutate into what we call monsters. Monsters Inc. takes place in this far, far future because humans are extinct. The monsters face an energy crisis. They still rely on human emotion for power, just like the toys did. Their solution? The doors are time machines. They use the wooden doors to travel backward in time to the height of human civilization, to harvest screams and eventually laughs. And the glue that holds the entire theory together revolves around Boo, the little girl from Monsters Inc. After Sully leaves her, Boo becomes obsessed with finding her kitty. She remembers that doors are portals and spends her life trying to figure out how they work. She eventually learns the magic to travel through time, becoming the old witch in Brave. She traveled back to the Dark Ages to trace the source of magic, accidentally starting this entire chain of events. The proof in the witch’s hut in Brave, she has a wooden carving of Sully, a monster who won’t even exist for thousands of years, and a wooden carving of the Pizza Planet truck. I’m just thinking that there’s too much that connects. Does it connect, though? I feel like this is very like he fills in a lot of holes. It’s not like they’re all connecting. I mean, it feels like in Brave, there’s a wooden carving of Sully and a wooden carving of the Pizza Planet truck. Which probably which is probably like a Pixar, you know. Yeah, it’s just like a callback. Yeah. And somehow we have created this whole also story drama. Like, isn’t it like supposed to be back in the day, not flash forward? It is back in the day. So she time traveled. She went through the doors to travel back in time. Um, I think that this guy has a great imagination. Okay. And um, I don’t think that there’s any like real through point to the Pixar movies, but maybe I don’t have an open mind. Well, I was gonna say when Kate likes a story or a book, don’t learn everything about that book, everything about that story, and that is what is happening. Yeah, yeah. You don’t read between the lines a lot. Although this is one of the first time travel stories that you’ve not been like, I love that, you know. I I said it was a good, uh it was a good he had good imagination. I don’t think I believe it. Yeah. I’m with I don’t I don’t feel like strongly enough about those movies, but also like why is it only some of the Disney Pixars and not all of the Disney Pixars? And the there’s you’re missing a lot. Wait, is it all connected? Is Disney Pixar? Is that is Pixar owned by Disney? I think now they do. Now they’re but it used to be like Pixar was by itself, right? I thought I thought Toy Story was like the start of Pixar. I thought Toy Story was always Disney. No, like the lamp. Is there’s there’s one that is like Pixar, but it’s not Pixar. Imagine versus. I would just like them, I just like to take a moment to hear my favorite words. What are they? You were right. Yes, because Toy Story was Pixar’s first feature lank film. Oh good job. But Colleen, I remember that for exactly the same reason. I remember the like, the like dr. Yeah, I was like, that’s Pixar.

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One that you’re thinking of, Kate, I think is what makes Shrek imagine whatever. Yeah, what what is the the Universal owns that one? Yeah. Dream work. Dreamworks dream works. Has any has anyone ever commented on this theory? Like, has Pixar made like an official statement or are are they liking his imagination? Well, studio executives have repeatedly debunked the idea, calling it a fun fan creation rather than a real creative directive. It is not canon, they say. They’re saying what it like what we said that like they drop some Easter eggs in for you know for the audience, and that people are taking that as like there’s a connection. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, I think I do read between the lines, Colleen. What are you trying to say? You say I have an imagination? No, I’m just mean like you memorize books so well, you know the plot so well that oh you know, I like when it gets questioned, you’re like, no. Yeah, the holes the holes are not the holes for me. Yeah, the biggest hole in a in a universe that I love, Marvel. It always goes back to Marvel when Steve Rogers travels back in time and marries Peggy. So stupid. Stupid. That is the stupidest way to end his story. He I feel like he that was a that Steve Rogers that went back in time would have nothing in common with Peggy, and that was his whole problem, right? No one had the same life experience as him. And is he just gonna lie? He’s not a liar. Yeah, he’s not a liar. And like, so you’re telling me he didn’t tell Peggy at all about the infinity stones because they ended up being in the sacred timeline. So what is that about? I hate it. Yeah, I hate that he went back in time. I think it’s I think it would have been sweet if he went back in time and he had his dance with Peggy and then he came back and then was like, I’m peace out, guys, I’m gonna go retire. But like they just had to figure out a way to like retire Chris Evans. Yeah, he was Don Rogers. And now he’s back for Doomsday, so okay. Well guys, just a reminder, don’t forget to check out our Facebook and Instagram pages at Three Scheme Queens. That’s the number three scheme queens, all one word. We’re also on Reddit, same username. If you want to check out our website, go to three schemequeens.com and you can find links to our social media accounts, our BuzzSpour page, all of our episodes, additional content, and our contact page where you can engage with us and share any updates on the topics that we have discussed. Let us know how we’re doing and what you want to hear next. There are also opportunities to financially support us with links to buy us a cup of coffee and links to our merch store. As always, if you choose not to financially support us, we appreciate the follows, the downloads, the listens, the likes. Kate, what should the people do? Oh yeah, I want you to take out your phone and text three people that really enjoy movies and have an imagination and uh share this episode with them. And then what I want you to do is scroll on down, leave us a five-star review, leave us a comment, share us on your social media platform, follow us on our social media platforms, email us, interact with us, tell your family about us, tell your friends about us, and yeah, Maggie. All right, sounds good. And we will see you guys next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.