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Revisiting some of our older conspiracy and mystery episodes that included medical discussions. This week, we’re going back to one of history’s most persistent conspiracy theories. Did Adolf Hitler really die in his Berlin bunker in 1945? Or did he somehow escape to Argentina? Was Hitler even physically capable of pulling off an escape? By the end of the war, his health was reportedly deteriorating. He had a tremor, significant gastrointestinal problems, relatable, and being given a truly impressive pharmaceutical cocktail by his personal physician. While we talk submarines, secret Nazi escape routes, alleged sightings in South America, and all of the usual conspiracy chaos, we’re also asking, what condition was Hitler actually in during his final months of life? What drugs was he taking? And if he had made it out of Germany, would he have access to the medications and medical care necessary to survive?
Uh just a reminder, don’t forget to check out our Facebook and Instagram pages at Three Scheme Queens, the number three Scheme Queens, all one word. If you want to check out our website, that’s three schemequeens.com, and you can find links to our social media accounts, our BuzzSparout page, all of our episodes, additional content, and our contact page. Let us know how we’re doing and what you want to hear next. There’s also opportunities to financially support us by buying us a cup of coffee or purchasing some merch. And as always, if you choose not to financially support us, we appreciate the follows, the downloads, the lists, the likes. Adolf Hitler was the dictator of Nazi Germany, rising as the leader of the Nazi Party before becoming the head of state and head of government in 1934. During his dictatorship, he initiated the European theater of World War II by invading Poland in 1939. He was closely involved in military operations throughout the war and was responsible for the creation of mobile death squads to perform mass executions on six million Jews, as well as Catholics, homosexuals, political dissidents, gypsies, and disabled people. In addition, 3,000 children, mostly twins, were experimented on and eventually killed. Overall, he is thought to be responsible for the murder of 19.3 million civilians and POWs, with 28.7 million people dying as a result of military action. That’s an unprecedented number. So in April 1945, as the war was winding down, Hitler was hiding out in a bunker. Hitler married his longtime partner, Eva Braun, just after midnight on April 29th. Then several hours later, he shot himself in the head. Oh shit. His new wife, Eva Braun, and their dog, Blondie, each took a cyanide pill. Their bodies were doused in gasoline and set on fire per his request. Oh my gosh. Nothing remained of him except a portion of jawbone and some teeth. We know Hitler had body doubles. Could one of them be the charred body that was found? Did he and his new wife survive and flee to Argentina? Did he escape to a secret base in Antarctica? Or is he living on the dark side of the moon? Kate said maybe. Maybe. Before we get into it, you believe it, Kate? Yeah. Colleen? I believe it. You guys think he lived the rest of his life in Argentina? Yeah, he definitely fled the country.
Okay. Like, it just doesn’t make sense. I do wonder like the logistics around it. But like, I mean, that’s a picture from like the C Se Secret Service about what he could look like. He could have very easily. I’m sure he grew his hair the way he did so that when he would change it, it would look that different. You know what I mean? Like to have such a prominent mustache.
Yeah, and he had like the weird comb over, didn’t he? Yeah. That’s what’s kind of wild, actually. I posted on the website. The Secret Service did post it like six photos of Hitler that were like what he could look like, like if he shaved his mustache, if he wore got glasses. He does look like completely different people in every picture. Oh. What does Hitler look like?
I just know the mustache. Does he have blue or brown eyes? No, that’s the whole thing. Brown hair, brown eyes, mustache, but he only wanted people with blonde hair, blue eyes, hair. Right.
And then there was some rumor he may have had. I don’t want to get into this because they were so this this research culturing himself. This research took me on so many side stories with side facts I’ll share with you. But there was one that he may have actually had some Jewish heritage. I heard that. Yeah. He might, yeah, he might actually be Jewish. Yeah. Do the jawbones still exist? Yes, I’m gonna talk about it.
And then who were the body doubles? Do we have names?
Uh I don’t have firm names, but apparently he had multiple. Apparently, there was also a dog double, Blondie. Dog double. And Eva Braun also had some doubles. Well, they all have mustaches. I think you’d have to have a mustache if you were gonna be Hitler. Did he have a mustache the entire World War era? Yeah, he was pretty married to that mustache. Okay. So we’re gonna do a little history here because as you all know, we are not strong, not history majors. No. Adolf Hitler was born in Austria on April 20th, 1889. He’s a tourist. We are earth signs and we’re very stubborn and we like comfort. Right. And status is important to us in contracts with him. But I don’t like sometimes I read things and it’s like tourists don’t like people and they just kind of want to hide away with their books. And I’m like, I like equal. Yeah. So as we said, he dropped out of school, he lived in Vienna, and he was orphaned. He lived in poverty until about 1913. I think he inherited some money from his like dad’s estate at that point. Okay. So hoping to avoid being drafted into the Austrian army, he fled to Munich in 1913, where he worked as an artist. Did you guys know that Hitler wanted to be an artist? No. That’s like the first fact you learn about him. Okay.
Like if you like it’s like it like people the fur at it, him not going to art school had a severe impact on his mental health, which then led to No. Anyone who defends Hitler, they’re not defending it, but they’re saying But they’re using him as a support the arts in our schools. No, but there’s like like that was a pivotal point in his life that like he like talks about it in Mind Kampf. It’s like if only they gave me art school, like he credits it to me. Oh, okay, okay.
Now I would never in my life who are these people that are sympathizing with Hitler. But it does have a part in his history or whatever. So he can he flees to Germany because he’s really trying to be a draft dodger. Okay. Okay, so he did get sent back to Austria, but he did fail his physical and return to Munich within the year. He ended up joining the Bavarian army, which do you guys know apparently Bavarian is like a state of Germany, like a very conservative state of Germany. No, I didn’t know that. They’re mostly known for like their pretzels and sausage. It’s kind of unclear how he was granted permission to join the Bavarian army after he had like avoided enlistment in the Austrian army and apparently failed that physical, but regardless, because he serves in France and Belgium during World War One. And while there, he preached German nationalist ideals and kind of very moral behavior. He had sounds like kind of a cushy job. He was miles from the front lines and he was a message runner, which was kind of a dangerous job because you’d have to run back and forth to the front lines, either, you know, on foot or by bicycle. But by World War One, um most messages were being relayed relayed by telephone. That being said, he did earn two Iron Crosses for bravery, the second of which was awarded by a Jewish officer. Yeah. I’m I where did his life go wrong? Um art school. So Hitler suffered a leg injury in 1916 when a shell exploded. And then in 1918, he was temporarily blinded and muted by a mustard attack by the British. On November 10th, while hospitalized for this attack, he was told by a pastor that Germany had been defeated, and Hitler reported suffering another bout of blindness from the stress, prompting him to decide to become a politician. So he he had was blind from the stress? No. So apparently he had this like transient blindness from this mustard attack, and he’s in the hospital recuperating. And then the the story he tells, okay, this is not is like, oh my God, I was so overcome when I was told that we had lost the war that I temporarily became blind again. And then that was when I knew I needed to be a politician and I needed to like save Germany. So he had blindness, but then he saw the light. Yes. Yeah. He saw the light. Okay. I can see this. And the quote from him is When I was confined to bed, the idea came to me that I would liberate Germany. I knew immediately that it would be realized. Hitler, like many Germanies, blamed the defeat on insufficiently patriotic traitors. So again, I think we know this goes into like feed his like nationalism, right? Yeah. He goes berserk. So upon his return to Munich, he joined the German Workers’ Party, which aimed to unite working class issues with a sense of nationalism. At the same time, he was teaching national thinking courses for the military. It was then that he realized he was a skillful public speaker. Oh. I think he was one of like uh is that him? Hitler was like, hey, I’m pretty good at this. I think there were like 29 people in the military teaching this class. He was like one of them. Wow. And it was just like brainwashed with patriotism. Yeah, gaslight, girl boss. War. In 1920, he left the army to work full-time for the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, which developed into the Nazi Party. Okay, I’m sorry. He’s from Austria, and he’s now the biggest German nationalist. Hitler developed the swastika. He gets credit for the Nazi logo, right? How did he come up with it? Great question. He adapted it from the sacred symbols of Hinduism, Buddhism, and this other ism. This was also around the time of the Treaty of Versailles, which held Germany responsible for starting World War One and led to a loss of territory. They had financial reparations they were supposed to pay and like demilitarization. So it kind of sounds like there was a lot of economic distress in Germany and a lot of resentment. So it’s kind of like a perfect climate for Hitler to come in with his Nazi party and, you know, take over. Right. They developed squads to protect their meetings. And in 1923, he proclaimed the beginning of the revolution in a beer hall before he and his followers engaged in a gunfight with police. As a result, he was arrested for treason and sentenced to five years in prison, but he only served nine months. And it was during that time he wrote his autobiography, Mind K. Which actually didn’t sell very well and eventually went on to become Germany’s number two bestseller behind only the Bible. But it took a long time for him to get there. Yeah. If you want to get real hippy-dippy, you could argue if he’d not been imprisoned, none of this would have happened. That’s valid. Because he’s arguing that his time in prison is what woke him up. Is when he became obsessed with race and ethnic purity. When he was released, Germany had experienced some economic recovery, and so support for the Nazi Party was sort of waning. He laid low and he developed the Hitler Youth Group and the SS, a group of over 200 men who swore allegiance to Hitler. In the meantime, Germans were accusing the Nazi Party of being too extremist, so Hitler said he would only take power through democratic elections, and that actually won him a lot of favor. He’s like, I’m not gonna come to be this dictator. I’m gonna, you know, I will only take power if I am voted on. Okay. Putin. In 1932, he received 35% of the vote, losing the presidency to Paul von Hindenburg. Oh, a war hero. Did he die? Due to political instability, politicians and businessmen wrote letters to Hindenburg the following year, urging him to appoint Hitler as Chancellor, which he eventually did. So they there’s like the chancellor and there’s a president, and it’s like two separate roles. Okay. At this time. Okay. The same year, there was a devastating fire set to the German parliament building, which we now know to be the work of the Nazi Party. But as a result, Parliament passed the Enabling Act, which gave him full powers to pass any laws, even those that oppose the Constitution. So now I’m just like the government has passed a law saying like your word is bond.
Yeah.
That July, all non-Nazi parties were outlawed, and Hitler began making plans to build his own military and expand German territory. On June 30th, 1934, during what is now known as the Knight of Long Knives, 150 political opponents of Hitler were murdered, with hundreds more being arrested. Oh my gosh. The law concerning the head of state of the German Reich passed on August 1st, 1934, declaring the elimination of the presidency upon Hindenburg’s death. So Hindenburg is the president, and like the day before their president dies, somehow they get him to sign this war, this like law saying, you know, once I die, Hitler’s injuries, then it’s gonna be one rule. The president and the chancellor is gonna be one and the same person. Oh he dies the next day of lung cancer. This is horrible. I I am sure that somebody was next to him while he was hypoxic, having him sign.
Get shot up on opioids.
Yep. Yep.
Don’t you think the chancellor and the president should be the same person? What? Just sign here.
So now we have Hitler as the head of state and also the head of government. His first act was to make all soldiers take an oath of loyalty to Hitler personally instead of to the office of the president. Right. Interesting.
Mm-hmm.
That’s definitely he’s got his priorities in line, you know? He used a lot of blackmail to assume control of a military leader. So, like someone had like some homosexual allegations against him, and so he was like, I will release this dossier if you don’t do what I want you to do. Oh. And then someone else, he was like, you know, your wife. I’ve investigated her, and she used to be a prostitute. And I’m gonna, you know, hold that over your head. Come on. He then fired 16 generals and transferred 44 more before Point Teen himself, commander-in-chief, because he doesn’t have enough roles yet, you know? Right. He continued to gain support by creating an economic boom following the post-war devastation. And you know, part of that uh economic boom was because you stole assets from the Jews and other enemies. You mean the gold Nazi goal? The Nazi goal. Yeah. Full circle. Full circle. Uh also under him, unemployment fell from six million to one million. It was like a record low. And they even hosted the 1936 Olympic Games. Oh, this is where there was American drama because certainly. They were boycotting and they weren’t letting Jews play or something, but he, I think he did like the opening ceremony. On September 15th, 1935, passage of the Nuremberg Laws outlawed German citizenship to all Jews and banned relations with Germans. At the same time, Hitler Burns books, he forced newspapers out of business and using radio movies for propaganda. He forced all the teachers to join the Nazi Party. And all of this was like an attempt to exert his dominance. Over the next several years, he formed alliances and invaded Austria and Czechoslovakia. It wasn’t until Nazi troops invaded Poland in 1939 that Britain and France declared war against Germany. So that’s the start of World War II. Right. And then the United States entered the war because of Pearl Harbor. Right. And so when they declare war against Japan, Japan and Germany were allies. And I guess we shouldn’t really say Germany because it’s really Nazi Germany, right? Right. Nazi Germany. Japan and Germany were allies. And so when the United States declares war on Japan, they were the Axis. Yes, the Allied forces and the Axis forces. Right. And we were part of the Allies. Allied forces. Yes. Around this time, they were also creating concentration camps, which eventually became death camps. And they created mobile death squads to perform mass executions on six million Jews before the end of the war, which that’s who we often talk about, but also executed a lot of Catholics, homosexuals, political dissidents, gypsies, and disabled people. Who did they want? Like white Protestants or something? They wanted like the Aryan race, right? But why can’t we just like they thought again it’s kind of like I was talking about my Mormon research that they’re like, if we get our direct word from God, then that’s gonna trump the law. So pretty much Hitler wanted like nationalists, people who were just like people who would us. And it’s like obviously they’re not a hundred percent nationalists if they’re also worshipping someone besides him. Oh, okay. Yeah, that’s valid. Yeah, that’s fair. And then again, we had kind of briefly talked in the in our twin episode about the twin experiments, but it sounds like 3,000 children, mostly twins, were experimented on. They would like experiment on one twin and have like a control twin, but then in the end, they ended up just taking all of them out. Yeah. We know that there were 19.3 million civilians and POWs that were killed, and then 28.7 million people died as a result of military action. And so again, this was like the greatest number of casualties in any war that we’d ever seen. So that’s all really dark and heavy. I’m gonna give you a little side story about his romantic life. Oh so Hitler was infatuated with his half-sister’s daughter. No, not his half-sister’s daughter. No, so unsurprising, but also disgusting. Yeah. Gaily Rabal is what it sounded like when I had the German man pronounce it for me online. This was Hitler’s half-sister’s daughter. He said it was like his one true love. And again, I think I had mentioned again. Hitler was apparently very celibate before he fell in love with his half-niece. And he would like, again, he would, when like he was in the army and his peers would be out like picking up women, he was like super judgmental about it. So again, he was like in love with her. Apparently, the story is he was so obsessed with her, it like drove her crazy, and she ended up using his weapon in his apartment to end her life in 1931. That’s awful. So he was completely devastated. He said this was my one true love, so he was like never gonna get married again. Okay. He did go on to have a long-term relationship with Eva Braun, who we mentioned in the intro and who we’ll talk about later. Okay. She was a photographer, a little artiste, and she worked as a shop assistant in Munich, but he refused to marry her until the day before they both died, and we will get into that. Was she blonde with blue eyes? Yeah. She was blonde, haired and blue eyed. Oh. Some other interesting things about his personal life. Again, he’s like holier than thou, right? Hardcore vegetarian. Apparently, he used to bribe people. He didn’t smoke, and so if people smoked, he would like in his close circle, he’d be like, I’ll give you a gold watch if you stop smoking. And he would stop smoking. Prior to their death, Hitler and the Nazi soldiers had spiral into heavy drug use, with Hitler being injected with opioids by his personal physician, as well as widespread use of a pill form of crystal meth that was supposed to keep them alert and happy so they could like fight the good fight. Oh my god. They first So wait, he was getting uppers and downers. He’s got I want to tell you about all the drugs he was going down. Oh my gosh. But you know, with the met with the crystal meth, they first took like 90 college kids and they’re like, we’re just gonna give you this drug and see how you respond. Right. And they responded pretty well. So then this became like an over-the-counter available to anybody drug during the war. It’s like Adderall, but not Yeah, they wanted soldiers to stay awake for days at a time. Yeah, this personal doctor, Theodore Morel. So Hitler had a lot of medical issues, including GI issues. Mm-hmm. I know those for gut, poor mental health. So Theodore Morel, he came to the doctor with these GI issues. Okay. And he miraculously cured him. Okay. And then Hitler was like, You’re my man now. Okay. So for the next nine years of his life, he’s like his personal physician. Okay. He injected Hitler daily with amphetamines, barbiturates, and opiates. Oh my gosh. And he had him taking as many as 90 pills a day. Holy crap. Including belladonna and cocaine. Oh, what’s belladonna? It’s like an opium. But it’s like a, yeah. Hitler had a lot of health problems uh with reports of IBS. A lot of people think that at the end of the war he was exhibiting signs of sense disease. Okay. There is some video evidence of him having like hand tremors and a shuffling gait, which kind of progressively worsened. Oh. Well, I mean, I feel like the hand tremors could be like the B. You’re taking a lot of drugs. So many drugs. Yeah. Um, he also allegedly, there’s different rumors that he had different STDs, but specifically one that keeps coming up. Syphilis that he had syphilis. Uh-huh. Maybe that’s kind of made him on this downroll this syph. The siph. Neuro syphilis. Uh giant cell arteritis, so like a vasculitis. Oh, you were also talking about there have been some experts who looked back who were like, why was he this crazy? And there are uh a lot of experts believe he had borderline personality disorder. Though everyone is very clear that like he did not suffer delusions. He was responsible for all the atrocities that he caused. He knew what he was doing. Yeah. People cannot say, like, oh, this poor man had a mental health issue and they didn’t let him take art classes. So that’s why he did what he did. Right. It’s not fair. He was 100% responsible. But it does seem like he had some kind of personality disorder. I told you he was also a vegetarian. He had his own greenhouse. Fun. To ensure a steady supply of fruits and vegetables. I told you he didn’t drink. He smoked in childhood, then quit. And as I mentioned, he bribed his friends to quit. Then he’s just like high on amphetamines and opioids at the end of his life. Like, what? So then June 6th, 1944, D-Day. That’s also Captain Fred’s birthday, but not 1944. So Allied forces land on the beach of Normandy. It was the largest seaborne invasion in history. And at the time, the largest use of airborne troops, because, like Colleen said, the big difference between World War II and World War I is the planes. Get these snakes offline. America has like the number one Air Force. The greatest air force. Fly bird fly. Uh, it was the start of a seven-week campaign by 156,000 UK, US, and Canadian troops, as well as others, but mostly UK, US, and Canada. And again, the goal was to liberate France. And the success of this invasion was kind of the beginning of the end of the war. Poor France. So now let’s talk about we’re finally getting to like what’s Hitler gonna do. He has funded this war, he’s all about this war, and now it looks like he’s gonna lose. Yeah. The walls are caping in. And like a real hero, January of 1945, he decides he’s gonna go hide out in a bunker somewhere. Yeah. So he lives. In this bunker with his girlfriend and his dog and his personal physician and all his people who were still obeying his demands. And then four months later, there are about 2.5 million Russian soldiers fighting, and they’re like approaching this bunker. They get within 100 yards of the bunker. And so Hitler’s like, What’s my plan? As I mentioned, he decides he’s gonna marry his longtime partner, Eva Braun, who he’d refused to marry prior to that because he was so in love with his dead happy niece. And so they get married just after midnight on April 29th. Sounds like they had like kind of a a little celebration with his followers who were there. But I also heard it was kind of morbid because it was sort of like seemed like he was getting his affairs in order. Yeah. April 29th. Oh, April 29th. Do you want to know where I was on April 29th?
Do you really want to chart?
So then, while they’re getting their affairs in order, he’s informed that Mussolini had been executed by the Italian resistance. And he’s like, the Soviet troops are on their way, they’re a football field away. What am I gonna do? So if you believe the official story, he shot himself in the head, and then his new wife, Eva Braun, and the dog Blondie each took a cyanide pill. Row. And again, so apparently he had like dictated to his his assistants like his wishes. This is all unwitnessed. They’re in a private room. His assistants come in as instructed, find them deceased, and take them upstairs above the bunker to the garden, where they douse the bodies in gasoline and set them on fire. Interestingly. So then with his death, this new guy takes over as chancellor, but he like within a day poisoned his six children and his wife and himself. Oh my god. So like all the people, all the higher-ups are just like, yeah, I got a GTFO because it’s it’s not going well for us. Right, yeah. So on May 1st, Carl Donitz, Hitler’s nominated successor as head of state, broadcast a message on Hamburg Radio stating that Hitler had died, quote, at his command post fighting to the last breath against Bolshevism. Would we say that he would we say that he was really, you know, I would not say he was last breath? No. No. Sounds like a coward. You know, he was not like who? William Wallace.
Oh, you mean the brave part. You mean our favorite Scotsman.
Yeah, the one who’s like Brave. Take my life. Bring it back to Hitler here. Okay. So nothing remained of him. This was getting back to your question calling. I’m listening. Nothing remained of him except a portion of jawbone and some teeth. So then we got to keep the jawbone. Uh no, the Soviets have that. Oh. But we’ll talk about it. Oh. Is the DNA not matching? The Soviet Brown? My goodness. So at the time of Hitler’s Alive, reportedly at this time, Hitler’s 56, he only had four or five of his own teeth remaining. Okay. And so his dentist, it sounds like his dentist and the dental assistants over the years were arrested and grilled and all of that. Grilled.
So he had a prefer personal physician, but nobody was looking in his mouth.
I was about, yeah, like nothing. Talk about all that drugs he was on. Yeah. So I guess they were able to match these. His dentist was able to identify him based on these dental records. And they also said, you know, these remaining teeth clearly belong to a vegetarian. I don’t know how you can tell that. Dentists let us know. But they were like, they clearly belong to vegetarians. And so this checks out it’s probably Hitler. So vegetarians have increased risk of dental erosion because they have a lack of calcium and vitamin D in their diet. Okay. And they and fruits and vegetables are more acidic. Yeah. So that can contribute to d decay. Oh, interesting. Okay. But no scurvy. Scurvy. Scurvy. So 11 years later, there was some big investigation, and I think it was all surrounding like we have to issue a death certificate so that we can take all of the things that were his and like give them back to people, disseminate them back to people that were stolen from. And so maybe we should do a death certificate. So 1956, I think I read that actually in Germany law is like you have to have disappeared for like 10 years or something before they can declare you. So they do this investigation and they interview 42 witnesses who were apparently like present in the bunker when this all happened. And based on that, they say, okay, yeah, we are assuming he is dead, death certificates issued, we’re done. But the conspiracy theory, as we mentioned, is that he didn’t die. Is that he didn’t die. And so there are a lot of weird ones out there, like that he’s in Antarctica or on the moon. Okay. But the most prevalent one is that he has fled to Argentina. Yeah, we’re gonna talk about the German population in Argentina. Oh yeah. There’s also a German population in um Brazil. Yeah. Well, so also in Brazil, apparently I learned while researching this that there’s a lot of Americans who fled to Brazil after the Civil War. So some uh Confederate soldiers fled to Brazil and created this like American colony, and they’re still like you know, people have slavery. No, surely not. So where I’m gonna get it, kind of get into it, but let’s start with like where this theory came from. So I think the origin of this theory we can likely blame Stalin for. So on June 6, 1945, Soviet officers working for the Minister of Defense informed the British press that Hitler’s body had been found and the cause of death was poison. The same day, however, Stalin told the U.S. Secretary of Commerce Harry Hopkins, who side note was responsible for the New Deal under FDR, tells him that Hitler’s remains had not been found and he was likely still alive. He said the same thing to Jimmy Burns, who was Truman’s Secretary of State, and Eisenhower himself believed he was still alive. In fact, there was a Stars and Stripes article, so Stars and Stripes, like the military newspaper that goes out to like all of the bases and everything, and there was a p uh article in the Stars and Stripes saying Hitler was still alive. Three days later, that Minister of Defense who had first come out and reported to the British press that it declared that it was dead. Yeah, that same guy comes out three days later after Stalin’s been telling everyone it’s not true and says, Yeah, actually we didn’t find his body. He may have escaped. And Stalin continued to double down. And in July, he was like, I hear he could be in Spain or in Argentina. And I guess they threw out a couple different guesses of where he could have been over time, but that’s probably where this theory started. Was Stalin they were against they were on our side. Okay, so what would have been Stalin’s motivation to lie? Right. Okay. So one could be that this minister of defense was kind of like his political rival, and so was he trying to undermine his political rival. Okay. Also, was he trying to strengthen his claims on German territory and you know, keep a little level of fear out there? Okay. He had had a wartime alliance with the Allied forces, and so maybe he thought, like, if there’s still this threat over our heads, like it’s gonna keep this alliance going, right? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Right. And then finally, did the USSR totally botch his investigation and they didn’t want people to be looking too closely at their death investigation? And so they’re like, oh, we’ll just say he got away, and then no one’s gonna come to us looking for the right information. Right. So the British did not like this initial story of him dying like a hero’s death, kind of simultaneously happening with these Stalin reports that maybe he got away. Because again, the official story was like he died fighting the good fight at the very end, right? And they’re like, well, he we’re not giving him this martyr hero’s death. So the foreign office had this British intelligence officer, Hugh Trevor Roper, do an investigation. And so he released a book called The Last Days of Hitler, and he claims that based on his investigation, Hitler shot himself, Eva took cyanide, and that that’s it, they’re dead. But again, people are like, everyone has a political motivation to have their side of the story. To be like, oh yep, we took down the bad guy, or And nobody wants to say he could be alive because like they want to say the war is over.
Right.
Yeah, it’s gonna feel like it’s over till it’s dead. Right. Yes. And nobody wants to perpetuate like that fear of him still being alive. Yeah. So then in 1968, the USSR releases an autopsy report. Now, to be clear, it sounds like the remains had been dug up and like moved multiple times because it kind of like when Osama went down, right? We didn’t want him to be buried somewhere where people could come and like, you know, pay their respects. Exactly. So it sounds like the body was dug up and relocated a couple of times. Okay. But the Soviets release this autopsy report, and they claim that Adolf and Eva had both died of cyanide poisoning. And this causes more drama now because a cyanide death is considered a cowardly death. Uh, and his supporters were like, no, he was a real hero. We had a soldier’s death, he shot himself. Somehow, in their mind, this is like more heroic than he just wussed out and took some poison. Early symptoms include headache, dizziness, fast, heart rate, shortness of breath, and vomiting. Yeah, you think if he has access to all these like barbiturates and everything, that’d be the way to go. Right. Just put yourself in a coma. So now people are all wound up about this. Like, why do we not have a story that makes sense? So now let’s fast forward to like 2009, okay? Russia goes, okay, you know, we’re gonna give the United States one hour of access to the remains. And again, like this this jawbone that they claim to belong to the jaw, right? It’s a jaw with some teeth. Yeah. So these remains had never been studied. So we have Dr. Nick Bellantoni and Dr. Linda Strasbach. These are they both work at Yukon, and they took samples of the skull and the couch where he had allegedly shot himself from the Soviet archives. And again, they had this one hour to kind of look at it. They determined the bones belonged to someone about 15 years younger than Hitler’s 50 sticks. Oh my gosh. They also determined the DNA from the skull was female. Oh my gosh. But that it could not be Eva’s because she reportedly did not shoot herself. This skull had evidence of a gunshot wound, and she was 33, and they were like, no, this skull belongs to a female in their 40s. Oh my gosh. They have continued to investigate. They saw the teeth. They agree these teeth do look like they probably belong to Hitler. The skull they do not believe belongs to Hitler. And the Soviets have not allowed anyone else like after this, after the United States was like, wait a minute, this isn’t Hitler’s skull. Yeah. They’ve not let anyone else look at it. Oh my gosh. Drama. That is drama. Also, why are they like protecting it? Why are there so well, I mean, so people are like, is the question like if it comes, if it comes back again and someone says it’s not Hitler, it’s gonna like propagate the quote conspiracy theories that exist? Or is it because they’re so embarrassed about how awful their investigation was? I don’t know. So that’s just a little history on that. And then we’re we haven’t really even gotten into what how he got to Argentina. Oh, we got to know what was going on. So just kind of a reminder about what was going on with Argentina during the war. The president of Argentina had remained neutral throughout World War I and II, and then they waited until literally two months before the war is over. And they go, you know what? March 1945. Okay, you know what? I think I’m gonna side with the Allied forces who are I’ll be gonna win this war, right? Yeah. Like that’s a real bolt move. So they had been completely neutral up until then. Who did who was? This was the president of Argentina, okay, whose vice president and minister of war was Juan Peron, who is Avita’s husband. Don’t cry for me, Argentina. So Juan Peron, who became the president after him, he’s a big fan of Mussolini and Hitler, and he’s elected president of Argentina the following year. Okay. So we know that the leader of Argentina is a supporter. Right. Right. He’s a Nazi party uh sympathist. Yes. We also know that many of the higher-ups in the Nazi Party committed suicide, were murdered, or were arrested and put on trial, but many of them did in fact escape. So Joseph Mengeel, the doctor at Auschwitz, and Adolf Eichmann, who is in charge of implementing the final solution, they are the big ones who ended up in Argentina. Mengeel lived under Doctor in of Auschwitz. The doctor at Auschwitz. What the heck was he doing? Yeah. So he lived under the name Wolfgang Girard, and he lived a quiet life until 1979 in Argentina, when he suffered a stroke while swimming at a vacation resort in Brazil. Good. I hope he drowned. It was a real rough end of the life. He was he died in a vacation resort in Brazil swimming in 1979, 20 years later. So unfair. No way. And then Eichmann lived under the name Ricardo Clements until his son, who was bragging about him to impress this Jewish Jewish girl he was wooing. Oh yeah. Bragg about the apparently she was impressed. Right. But she was Jewish. What the heck? I know. And he was like, you know who my dad is? And so actually this guy got captured because the son. Yeah. So they found him sank him with his other head. Yeah. They found him in 1960. He was brought to Israel and stood trial there. And then he was sentenced to death, which was carried out in 1962 by 62 by hanging. But he got to live a nice 15 years in Argentina before his son, you know, got him busted. So I guess I have really mixed feelings as I went into this. I’m going to tell you about some of the sightings, but I really tried, I watched two documentaries. I wanted to hear like, what is this theory? And there’s there’s like not one consistent theory, which makes it hard for me to believe that it’s like each documentary has some different like here’s 10 people who claim to have seen them. And then also they had declassified every time anyone reported a potential sighting, the FBI or the CIA would have to investigate it. So they declassified some of these reports. So I’ll tell you about some of the sightings, apparently. Okay. It’s like Batman. You know what I’m talking about? At the end of the dark night, when he like he fakes his death and then goes and then like him and Alfred see each other in what are they, in France? In Italy? I think it was Italy. Yeah. They’re like they run into each other or they Yeah, at like a cafe, and they he looks up and he’s they like give each other the look and they’re like, Oh, we both made it. Yeah. Okay, one of his big sightings, I think this one seemed like the most maybe promising, because also these theories, there’s very different theories about like, did he get out by airplane, by U-boat, as you mentioned? Yeah. So July 10th, 1945, a U-boat showed up in Mar de Plata, which is like 250 miles from Buenos Aires. Reporters claimed that they saw a high-ranking official and a civilian, both men, get off the boat. And so people thought, is this Hitler in even disguise? Uh over the next month, there were additional U-boat sightings and more southern ports in Argentina. Uh, years later, the captains of these U-boats reported that they had fled to Argentina after the war for fear of persecution in Germany. So again, we know that people were doing this. Right. They knew there was a strong German community in Argentina and they had been relatively neutral during the war. So rumors did persist for a few years. Like, again, was Hitler amongst these people? And apparently, like, they’re like, oh yeah, like four U-boats came over, but only two ever were spotted. So that became one of the last two U-boats. Right. And then in 1957, a pilot was flying overhead and he recognized the outline of a U-boat because by then they think the iron deposits had accumulated, so it made it visible from the sky. So they were identified in the 1990s as these two missing U-boats. And so that story seemed like a kind of checked out that it probably was just a bunch of like young soldiers who were Nazis trying to get out of Germany. Right. Okay. But the other sightings we’ve got, an elderly Argentinian woman named Catalina Gomera worked in a house where her employer had a mysterious guest who remained in his room. She was instructed to prepare German meals like schnitzel and sausage and leave them at his door. But we know he was a vegetarian. Right. So he wouldn’t be eating schnitzel. Right. He was allegedly spotted in Ireland disguised as a woman in Egypt. Uh he was living in Egypt where he had converted to Islam. These are all reports again that the U.S. received. Right. Again, another there was another U-boat sighting in 1940. Four different men said they saw two women, a doctor, and Hitler without his signature mustache, get off a U-boat. But then when they investigated the sources, there was no proof they had ever even been in Argentina. So didn’t hold a lot of right. There’s a there was a lady who owned a spa in Argentina, uh, the Hotel Eden, and she visited him in Germany a lot during the war and was like, if you ever need a place, if you’re ever in trouble, I got your back. And the spa was frequented by Germans, but it was actually confiscated once Argentina decided to ally themselves with the Allied forces. So if the government owned it, right. I mean, because it’s gonna be a year, I guess, before Avita’s husband, the sympathizer, takes over. So that probably doesn’t really track. I feel like I mean he was spotted at a lot of different places. That’s what I mean. That’s what it makes me it makes it harder though for me to believe it because I’m I just want six people to be like I saw this like everybody making it up. Yeah. Yeah.
A French reporter have credit.
Yeah, there was a French reporter in Brazil who said he was invited to a dinner party at a hotel where he claims he saw Hitler and Eva, as well as other former Nazi officers. He tried to take photos, but was forbidden and asked to leave. He witnessed people doing the Nazi salute and determined this was likely a community of former Nazis in hiding. Apparently the US investigated this and they were like, actually, that that source was a Nazi spy, and so we think he was just trying to stir up. There’s that. Yeah. In 1948, a Quebec couple saw him in a in their hotel that he they were staying in. And then there’s I got there was also a bunch of terrorists. How many of these people were like were crazy? In the bread. Yeah. They were like, that looks like Hitler, and then it just became like it is. There’s Hitler is in a ranch in Argentina, which a lot of these do come up that like whether he got there by U-boat or by plane or whatever, that eventually he had to ride a horse. Could he have ridden a horse with his health issues? I don’t know. But he rode this horse to like this ranch and that’s right. But that’s what I’m thinking. Like, if his doctor didn’t make it with him, I mean, he’s gonna die at withdrawal. Right. Yeah. Man’s been on our barbitur. Yeah. And then and then we’ve got like that he’s living underground under a ranch in Argentina, that he is in Switzerland because he couldn’t be bothered to learn a foreign language. Nothing. Here we go. Mrs. Jones claims she saw a man who looked suspiciously like Hitler in Charlottesville, Virginia. And then there’s someone who’s like, Oh, I sat next to him in New York City at a restaurant. Uh probably just brunette meant. Someone’s being treated or something like someone with a bad mustache. Yeah. Yeah. Someone said he’s being treated by a Spanish doctor in Spain. He’s a he’s working as a butler. Yeah, right. Yeah. Oh, never. No, never. He bought a farm in North Carolina. He was on a train to Chicago from New Orleans, staying at this hotel in Quebec, the owners called. Credited in the 1900s, like all these witnesses. Yeah, yeah. He’s staying at a rooming house of an old lady in DC, or he’s in St. Louis, Missouri. St. Louis. I’m so St. Louis. So I too think. My kind of my my one more thought here is that he did. We know he had the resources, right? He had body doubles, he had supporters. We know that they had unlimited financial resources. They had stolen all of these. They had the Nazi gold. A hundred billion dollars worth of Nazi gold. I’m confused. Is it real? It’s all Jewish people’s money. The Nazi gold is real. Did we find a train full of Nazi gold and use that to fund the U.S. government? That’s a conspiracy theory. No, it’s not Nazi gold, it’s things stolen from the Jews. I knew that at the beginning. Yeah. But and again, I just want to reiterate it’s not, it was mostly Jewish, but it was there were a lot of victims. Yes. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so they had access to this money. A lot of that money went to Argentina. Again, we know that Argentina went to America. Did have, yeah. We’re gonna oh girl. Oh yeah, about the Americans. Yeah. But so what do you guys think?
I think he definitely escaped. Where he escaped to, I don’t really know. Yeah. I mean, there’s a lot of proven Germans in South America, so I really wouldn’t be surprised if he went there. But he doesn’t give the vibe that he spoke Spanish.
No. No, that that’s probably why I went to Argentina, right? Because there’s a big Germany there. So people speak German. I would say I agree, like he probably like I’m like, did he just like pop some of his teeth out and leave it? Definitely escaped. And then escaped, but where did he go? And then it sounds like if you were to believe that all those sightings are true, he just lived his life like a gypsy. Right, just like in transit.
Well, like that’s what he had to do. Like if you’re an escape.
Well, here’s kind of what I’m having. So I will say the other thing is too that he did have, I didn’t mention this note, he did have his own personal pilots and his own personal planes. Oh my god. And so uh Hans Bauer was his personal pilot, and they did see him fly into Berlin on April 26th and back out on April 29th. Just a side note. Again, I think there’s no question he had the resources to do it. Oh, yeah. I think that the bigger question would be like I was reading, I think it might have been on Reddit. I wish I had written down where I read this, but somebody was comparing it to like the United States has a near 100% success rate on what is protection program. Uh-huh. And the few people that failed, yeah, were people who like contacted someone from their past. Okay. And can’t could this guy really could Hitler, who we know was a power-hungry narcissist, probably with like a borderline personality disorder, could he really just go hide out in Argentina for two decades and keep to himself? And like, wouldn’t you think he’d be planning like a comeback or less strategizing? Or like, did he have the personality that he could be like, I could just I’m just gonna chill out and look at it. Disappear and like go underground? Yeah. Probably especially no. I would assume no, especially it was borderline personality or any type of like that sort of narcissistic borderline, he would not be able to tell people what he did. Maybe he escaped for like a little bit and then died of withdrawal. Like there was nothing like the meds, you’re right. Yeah, they’re saying, like, if he really had syphilis, did he have access to antibiotics? I mean, was that gonna take him out? Right. I feel like he escaped and died. A lot of people were saying also that so his Eva Braun, like I said, was a professional photographer, and you can find so much photography and video footage that she took of like like during the war of Hitler and his buddies, and like would she be able to just stop taking pictures? Because again, what we’re doing. I think he killed her purpose up. Oh, I think he definitely made the escape to him. No, I think she died.
He probably purposely killed her.
He definitely killed her and the dog. Yeah. I think if he were to have planned like his own death, he would have taken her out. Because she would have been a liability, right?
Yeah. I think he escaped, but I think he had a lot of health complications that probably would have led to his death. So I don’t think he made it far.
Yeah, I agree.
I think I would say Arngentina.
Most of the people who do think he made it out agree that he probably died in like the nineteen seventies, at a minimum. Like he’s he’s not around now. No, obviously. No. Um, but that he definitely was not in great health. at the end of the war. No. I just feel yeah, I feel like if he didn’t make it, I mean if he made it out, he if you’re telling me he was like on all of those drugs and there was nobody 90 pills a day. Right. And there’s nobody that like was sourcing him that there’s no way he would have survived. No. Zero. That man would have died of an arrhythmia immediately. I mean Yeah taking benzos. I mean that withdrawal can kill you right. What about you, Megan? You didn’t so yeah no I don’t I’m I’m I’m with you. I think he probably I don’t know that he made it out because I think he was probably in such poor health he probably wanted to escape. I think he’s a he probably planned on it. Oh yeah and I think that probably was his plan was to flee and then I think it was probably like he’s got a shuffle to get around like he probably was like there’s no way I’m gonna make it and so I’m just gonna end it here. Oh and I think that the USSR what if plot twist he had this whole elaborate plan of like getting out and somebody was like okay let’s get you out and then Jay took him out they took him out that would be genius and then burned him that would be genius. Yeah like what if he really did like make it out no and there are the people who again I think the people who allegedly were there specifically like his valet I wrote their names down who were I mean they’ve been questioned extensively and it sounds like they weren’t just in like a cushy prison like they were getting interrogated nonstop. I feel like they these people probably would have rolled over on each other. You know what I mean at some point someone would have been like immediately we didn’t really immediately yeah but I wanted to tell you a side story about how we helped fund the Nazi party oh God. I want to talk about the Dulles brothers because we’ve talked about this before. Yes. So I think I in incorrectly shocker incorrectly spoke before when I said that Dulles Airport was named for the head of the CIA it was actually named for his brother John Foster Dulles who was the Secretary of State. But before these two so it’s Alan Dulles goes on to become the head of CIA he’s the one JFK fires over Bay of Pigs and we have John Foster Dulles Secretary of State before they both we want you want to talk about some Nepo babies guys. Yep they were the children of some high ranking political people they both get these appointments like at like 23 like fresh out of college these massive roles okay they so they’re very privileged they’re both lawyers for Wall Street firm Sullivan and Cromwell and during World War II John Foster Dulles who again goes on to become Secretary of State he worked closely with the Nazis he even avoided taking Jewish clients on okay oh my God. So they’re both very kind of conservative very religious Alan Dulles was very much a narcissist he cheated on his wife all the time and bragged to his wife about it. Oh well and they said like if he dropped his napkin he would just sit there until like a servant picked it up for him he was just like a terrible person. These brothers were both very religious but as opposed to his brother John Foster Dulles he really followed the Bible interpretation to like a T. So he was married he was loyal to his wife sounds like neither of these guys was very good to their kids really involved in their kids’ life. Different uh age of dads back then though so in April 1933 Alan Dulles who goes on to be the head of CIA he met with Hitler and after the meeting he writes back to his brother Foster and is like you know what conditions under Hitler’s regime quote are not quite as bad. Are you kidding me? As an alarmist friend had indicated. And then John Foster Dulles met with a bunch of his German Jewish banker friends in Germany who expressed fears for their life and told them they were being monitored. Like he’s like they were like see that truck out there? They’re listening to us and they’re like afraid for their lives. But instead of helping them he’s like you know what I think we should probably kind of like avoid the situation altogether. And people are like you know people who had money were able to get out Jewish people out. Like Hitler let rich Jewish people leave for a fee. Of course because he just wanted them out of their country right so like you would think that’s not the solution but why would you just abandon your friend? So John Foster Douglas again I said these are like their lawyers John Foster Douglas advised cartels. So they would form these like conglomerates of companies that would share resources and control outsiders access, thereby increasing demand for certain products, decreasing the quality of the products and increasing the cost to buyers. So for example, JF Dulles brought a German nickel company into this cartel. So there was like a United States nickel company a Canadian nickel company a French nickel company and then he’s like Germans come join us. Okay. And if he had not done that the Nazis would not have had the resources to build up their government or the money to start the Nazi movement. So Alan did meet with Hitler again in 1985 at which point he reported back that he had a very sinister impress impression about the whole thing but it sounds like he was much more concerned about an impending war with the United States than he was about like the travesties that were happening. Right. Right. So anyway there was like we can really blame these two brothers who sound like they were kind of dicks who went on to be like pretty important people in our history. Right. And we can really if it weren’t for them crazy there might not even have even been like a Nazi oh my gosh also all that money Ford Ford had a contract with the Nazis to supply trucks to them. Oh my gosh. Uh GM, they were really opposed to the New Deal and they kind of were an admirer of Hitler’s like financial plan. So they opened they moved factories to Germany. When those factories were bombed during the war the United States wrote them a check for $32 million. Oh my god oh my goodness uh Kodak continued to purchase goods from Nazi Germany and import them to the United States uh Swiss banks we know laundered money hundreds of millions of dollars Coca-Cola hate to say it die coke oh no so Coca-Cola there was like this again this trade embargo so they were like man we can’t get like Coca-Cola to sell in Germany so they rebranded and they created Fanta. And so Fanta is a part of Coca Cola but it was like okay this we can sell Fanta in Germany and they had to use available ingredients. This why Fanta’s like on all of Fanta flavors is so much bigger in Europe. Oh my God to make Fanta it sounds have you had it this the orange soda? Yeah no they were like we have to use whatever we can get access to so they used leftover apple cores from the cider industry in Germany and whey from cheese production because it all comes back to the cheese. So Coca-Cola we can blame them for helping the you know the Nazi um economy and then guys guys let’s IBM IBM IBM so they’re kind of there was like the original computer they’re like in engineering like big computer engineering. It was it was in Charlotte like there’s a ton of like people all my friends’ parents worked at IBM so but they used they supplied the Nazis with accounting equipment and they used their equipment to perform the German census which they used to identify groups that they didn’t want. So thanks IBM Megan did Hitler ever have incestuous children this is also I don’t know about incestuous but children in general here he did not have children with the daughter niece with the daughter the half niece so she she went insane and yeah correct okay um but there’s kind of some interesting so like some of these documentaries that I was like I can’t even talk about these in this podcast because they just seem so poorly done. Right. They’re like acting like he had like a daughter or something. So I was like what is the story there? So I I was also intrigued now there was this guy Jean Marie Lorette he was a Frenchman and he came out and said he was Hitler’s son that his mom Frenchman Charlotte she birthed him she gave him up for adoption she was very young I think she was like 16 but they had a relationship and she said by the way your dad is Hitler the complex I would have yeah so and actually look that’s his picture doesn’t it kind of look it does kind of look like Hitler. But so anyway so I thought he was celibate. That’s right that’s the question. If he was so judgy about everybody that I was like do you think he was really out there like sleeping with a 16 year old girl right during World War I probably. So it does kind of look like it does look like him and again this guy like profit he wrote a book and I think this guy went on to take a DNA test so this guy dies in 1985 at age 67. Again he’s published a book I think he had like nine children of his own so it’s like oh man the Hitler lineage is like or like it’s Hitler legacy live and on yeah and um then someone finally does a DNA test. And he’s not Hitler’s son. He is not Hitler’s son. Of course he’s not his mom was probably nuts. And then there is some rumors online. First she was like the 16 year old girl who was the guy was like I’m Hitler and she believed she it said it said that like she and and this alleged baby daddy I mean Hitler whoever the baby daddy was was a soldier and they did not like she spoke French he spoke German yeah and so they were they would just go on walks and couldn’t really communicate with each other and then they had too much to drink one night oops how that she was pregnant. It’s like hey he but it’s like he doesn’t drink he’s celibate yeah and I mean maybe they all look the same to her you know what I mean like there’s a lot of German soldiers yeah easily so maybe she really believed or he just said I’m Hitler and she believed him and she was she had never seen him before maybe it’s like oh okay and then suddenly she was like wait this guy named Hitler’s like Knoppy there was also so again I could not find anywhere where there’s any evidence that Hitler ever actually had children of his own he does have a lot of half siblings and there’s a lot of stuff on or there’s a lot of rumors online that like they took a blood pack that none of them were going to reproduce because like they wanted to end the Hitler end the Hitler line. It sounds like that is not fact true wait who moved on his mom or his dad because I think he had mommy issues. He did have mommy issues I know this he did have a nephew who despised him he had a pro yeah pro-Nazi nephew Heinz he he but he was killed in war pro-Nazi but anti-Hitler how does that work his anti-Nazi nephew joined the Allies and fought on the American side and had forced after the war ended and it says that one of those sons died in a car crash the other three never married or had children um but there’s no evidence that any of that was like a act they made right might have just been the case. It’s always something good for a documentary but he does have a lot of being like now don’t do it. Yeah but he did have a lot of half siblings and some of them have grandchildren. So there are people who were it says uh as far as they know about 25 known descendants of Hitler’s father that answers that question father. But as far as we can tell no kids for Hitler so what a shame a hit.
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